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Title: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 10:44 15-Jul-2017
    Trump Jr. attempted to collude with Russia, but deal inartfully prosecuted, claims he forgot about it:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/borscht-thickens-trump-circle-russia-ties-article-1.3327609
Kushner and Manafort present for meeting with two alleged Russian agents.
    Email from Goldstone, music promotor spells out that this is Russia's support for Trump.  Jr. is up for that, but very disappointed that the discussion at the meeting is not about helping Trump win, but about the welfare of orphans which he didn't care about.
   Trump Sr.  "Most people would have acted as (Jr.) did"   The President, who didn't know about the meeting, is right, excepting that Hillary would have hired a contractor as was done in the situation with the Dossier.  Hillary would not have been using Chelsea as her bagman for a dirty job like that.

Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 11:06 15-Jul-2017


"Akhmetshin (a dual Russian/American citizen) is also reportedly a former officer in Russia?s military intelligence service."

If the U.S. government knew this to be true, why did it let this guy (1) become a citizen, (2) let him into country, and (3) let him stay in the country?  And if he has engaged in violations of US criminal laws, why is he walking around a free man?  These types of questions need to be asked.  I think if the allegations are true, the people in the immigration and naturalization services and the intelligence services need to be held accountable - where are the news stories about that?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 11:37 15-Jul-2017
I expect Akhmetshin can be a genuine immigrant, defector, or even a mole.  Really, the more interesting situation is the lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya as the Justice Dept. and State Dept. went to extrordinary efforts to let her stay in the country and ultimately Loretta Lynch might have had to sign something to let her remain in the U.S. :
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/14/mystery-solved-timeline-shows-how-russian-lawyer-got-into-us-for-trump-jr-meeting.html
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 13:41 15-Jul-2017
Another question not being asked is why, after having been denied a visa, did oblome's AG cite special circumstances and give the lady advocate a visa? 

And, why did the AG's office give the visa?  Isn't that State's dept?

Another "skandal" that began on Barry's watch.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 14:05 15-Jul-2017
The best one yet!   :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF5o4nOqwv4
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 19:10 15-Jul-2017
Natalia Veselnitskaya personally knows and has done business with President Trump as Miss Universe and the President may have seen her naked, because he bragged about barging into the locker rooms of his contests and asking the women changing costumes if everything is O.K., like it wouldn't raise an eybrow, because it is an inspection by the impressario of the contest.   So, of course Natalia was an obvious choice to infiltrate Trump Tower and right under Melania's nose too!  Fortunately, this Russian spy no longer meets Trump's high standards.
Hello Magazine:
(http://us.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/news-in-pics/2010/08/24/trump.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 03:36 16-Jul-2017
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"Akhmetshin (a dual Russian/American citizen) is also reportedly a former officer in Russia?s military intelligence service."

If the U.S. government knew this to be true, why did it let this guy (1) become a citizen, (2) let him into country, and (3) let him stay in the country?  And if he has engaged in violations of US criminal laws, why is he walking around a free man?  These types of questions need to be asked.  I think if the allegations are true, the people in the immigration and naturalization services and the intelligence services need to be held accountable - where are the news stories about that?

Akhmetshin worked for the same group, Fusion GPS, the Pro-Hillary group that sponsored the scandalous Dossier that defamed Trump, and really got the Russia collusion campaign going.  So you could infer that either Akhmetshin works for either political party  that has some dirty job for him, involving Russia.  You can also reasonably suspect that he is out to make money while damaging American's confidence in the political system and politicians.  So, Donald Jr. was probably set up to some degree.  Not that he has an excuse other than genes for being a gullible fool. 
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/15/ex-soviet-officer-who-attended-trump-tower-meeting-is-connected-to-pro-clinton-org-that-made-dossier/

Kushner's lawyer just quit representing him in matters specifically related to the Russia investigation, a mutual decision.  This decision was taken because Robert Mueller, the Special Counsel, was the Dem connected lawyer's law partner until Mueller quit to work on the Russia investigation. 
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342100-kushners-lawyer-dropping-out-of-representing-him-report

Title: Why Won't this Trump/Russia Thing Just Fade Away?
Post by: sosednik on 20:41 22-Jul-2017
Perhaps, because it keeps getting bigger and stinkier.

The NY Times has found, by searching in publicly available records, that Russian lawyer Natalia V. Veselnitskaya, who claims to have no ties to the Kremlin and never to have worked for the Russian government ...

... 6 years ago represented Military Unit 55002 in a court case.  This unit was created by the FSB (successor to the KGB) and is registered to an address in front of the Lubyanka, in a building that houses various branches of the FSB.

(By way of explanation, many countries have overlap between their military and intelligence activities.  For example, the US NSA is part of the Department of Defense, whereas the CIA is essentially an independent agency.)
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 21:42 22-Jul-2017


For the last time; prior cases a lawyer worked on  for clients XYZ, have no bearing on the guilt of a different client (A, B, or C).   

Lawyers that represented OJ Simpson or Charles Manson turned around the next day worked on home mortgage cases and incorporating a chain of supermarkets.   

It means nothing (nada, zip, zilch, diddly-squat) to say "oh this is OJ's lawyer."  That's what lawyers do: take different cases.  And rationale judges that hear those types of arguments understand that they are dealing with fanatics.

Guilt by association (through a lawyer) is something the Bolsheviks did; they would just round up so-&-so, because he knew so-&-so, who had coffee with so-&-so; and while we're at it, let's just kill so-&-so who slept with all of them.

In fact, it had a name The "Great Purge and Terror" (Большо́й терро́р).   It is understood as a campaign of political repression and  large-scale killing of  officials, political opponents; and terror against a wide spectrum of society from peasants to the Army leadership; and widespread police surveillance, suspicion of "saboteurs", "counter-revolutionaries", imprisonment, and arbitrary executions.

It was entirely rooted on who met with whom;  who knew whom.  And which lawyer represented which client. 
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 23:05 22-Jul-2017
Here's what some American Moms (even a couple Dems) wanna hear about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlpMRWZ7clk
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 23:19 22-Jul-2017
@Reggie:

For the last time?  I will believe that, when I don't see a repetition!

Reggie correctly states that association is, in general, an absolutely invalid basis for criminal conviction in a court of law.

Reggie seems to incorrectly confuse this forum with a criminal law court.  Neither I, nor anyone here (to my knowledge!) has an atom's weight of authority to legally convict, or for that matter to exonerate.  Therefore, we are NOT subject to the strictures of a criminal court.  DUH

If anyone needs tips on how to distinguish a criminal court from an internet forum, I'll be pleased to provide some.
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Studying associations (which are not in themselves criminal) is a completely valid, and in fact indispensable, technique of criminal investigation.  It does not determine who is guilty, but helps to identify suspects and persons of interest.

A great many crimes and criminals would have gone undiscovered, without the tracing of such associations.
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It's hard to overstate how foolish it is, to apply such criminal court standards to other areas of life!

The processes of criminal courts (at least, as understood by those of us lucky enough to live in countries with liberal constitutions in force) are NOT, in the first instance, designed to reveal truth.

Instead these processes are, with very good reason, strongly biased toward the protection of defendants.  They are based on the famous maxim of Sir William Blackstone:  "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

This bias is a wonderfully humane feature of a system of criminal justice.

It's a bat-sh!t crazy way to understand what's happening in the world around us.

Not long ago, I read the comments of two pompous overgrown boys (on a different forum) demanding that no state should take action against another without proof "beyond a reasonable doubt," even on matters of national security!

If you want your country to disappear into history books, applying the standards of criminal courts in such an inappropriate domain is a grand start.
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To give a more homely example, when starting a romantic or business relationship with someone, it is reasonable and prudent to take note of the kinds of people that person associates with.  YOU CAN LEARN A LOT THAT WAY.  If they have numerous connections with criminals or the morally depraved, there may be some good reason ... but it's damned stupid to ignore this!
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Now, having sentenced Trump Jr to 50 lashes of flogging, I shall wait for the bailiff to take down the Sword of State from the paneled wall behind me, and retire to remove my powdered wig and black robes.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 00:20 23-Jul-2017
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Reggie seems to incorrectly confuse this forum with a criminal law court. 

When you repeatedly suggest (Ad nauseam) that Trump committed crimes (the high-crime of Treason by working for Putin), that requires a discussion of - - - - (wait for it!) - - - - the criminal law.

You say the man committed a crime, but don't want a discussion of the criminal law?!!!  How does that make sense?   

I love this part:

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Reggie correctly states that association is, in general, an absolutely invalid basis for criminal conviction in a court of law.


Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 01:07 23-Jul-2017
@Reggie:

Even if it were proved that Trump is Putin's paid agent, it is not at all clear to me that such would meet the legal standard for treason.

Reggie, over and over and over you commit the straw man fallacy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)

This is both without any constructive benefit, and exceedingly tiresome.  Would you kindly respond to what I actually say, rather than what you imagine I was thinking or implying?  I try in my writing to be really clear and specific.

Today, I simply reported that a Russian lawyer who met with Trump Jr represented a branch of the FSB and nonetheless disclaimed having worked for the Russian government.  That does not implicate any crime (as far as I know), and I DIDN'T SAY THERE WAS ANY CRIME.

Please please please please STOP WITH THE STRAW MAN.  You are intelligent and learned enough not to play such games.
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Even if I had alleged a crime, there is a vital distinction between criminal law and criminal court procedure.

To give an example many readers can relate to, a criminal court found O J Simpson not guilty of homicide charges, and there, as a matter of law, the legal question of his criminal guilt in that case must stand.

At the same time, millions of ordinary citizens considered the evidence that was presented at the trial and concluded that his guilt of double murder was proven to near certainty -- very very likely, the truth of the matter.

Whether or not you agree with such citizen judgments, which have no legal force ... they are an example of applying a homely knowledge of criminal law (that it is a felony to violently deprive persons of their life in such circumstances) without being bound by the rules of the criminal court.  People do this every day.  There's nothing wrong with it!  To forbid it is madness, and would prevent the functioning of democracy.

Those who are not involved in a criminal trial as judge, jury, attorneys or other court officers are in no way bound by the rules of criminal procedure in seeking and making their best determination of the truth.  On what crazy planet, does it make sense to suggest otherwise?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 01:22 23-Jul-2017


You accuse Trump of crimes, which requires  discussing criminal law, then to avoid discussing the law you write ridiculous things like this: "Reggie seems to incorrectly confuse this forum with a criminal law court."

Maybe you meant Trump violated one of the Ten Commandments, or sinned against Buddha, but to me it looked as if you were accusing Trump of violations of the criminal law.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 01:32 23-Jul-2017
Quod Erat Demonstrandum
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 07:58 23-Jul-2017
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Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Then offer up the proof from multiple sources, and not multiple sources that reference a single source.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 13:43 23-Jul-2017
@Fraucha:

I didn't prove nuthin.

It was Reggie, who gave a proof.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 15:48 23-Jul-2017
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@Fraucha:

I didn't prove nuthin.

It was Reggie, who gave a proof.

Yes, I proved that when a person consistently accuses Trump (or whomever) of committing crimes, it's a ridiculous attempt at obfuscation to avoid a discussion of the criminal law through statements like this --->  "Reggie seems to incorrectly confuse this forum with a criminal law court."

When you have an intelligible system of judging Trump's 'crimes' that does not require a discussion of the criminal law, let me know.   I am open to judging Trump by the following alternative body of rules:

(1) The rules of etiquette for Shao Lin Monks.
(2)  Buddhist Sin Theory
(3)  and the Food and Drug Administration's guide on nutritional requirements for teenagers.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 16:10 23-Jul-2017
And the beat goes on.........and on..................and on.............and...........

Even after Clown News Network's own peeps got caught on camera saying the russian crap was all about ratings and money and a NOTHING BURGER.



Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 17:16 23-Jul-2017
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@Fraucha:

I didn't prove nuthin.

It was Reggie, who gave a proof.

you can't prove (haven't proved) anything anyway
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 18:07 23-Jul-2017
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you can't prove (haven't proved) anything anyway

(http://americanlibertypac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/No-Evidence-600-LI.jpg)

I disagree.  There is ample evidence of premature mud-slinging and a witch hunt.  I can't remember a President being hounded like this ever.

It's like they're trying to do the election over with tabloid-style sensationalism.  Like this:

(http://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/trumpgetsmart_phixrWHTM.png)

Trump is a Russian spy?  A patsy for Putin?  Give me a freakin' break.   

Russia has negligible sway over the American election system.   Wasn't the original story based upon Putin supposedly having sex tapes of Trump?  A huge mish-mash of tabloid style nonsense that has now evolved into investigating Trump's family.

I found the Trump sex tape:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noMM7TChjio
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 19:21 23-Jul-2017
Here is my take on all of this bullshit:

Screw you . If you don't like Trump, too f uck ing bad. Man up and deal with it. It is not like all of the bitching and moaning on this forum will make a fu king speck of difference. And if all you can do is point out mistakes then I suggest you get your intelligent ass to D.C. to tell him how to do it.

We pointed out Obamas screw up for years and NOTHING came of it.

You all can cry like butt hurt babies. But it is clear all your caterwaulin' is less than zero in just about EVERYONE's book.

Jesus Freaking Jumping Christ on a Palomino.


Here one less thang to freaking cry about:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/23/us/politics/trump-russia-sanctions.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 21:29 23-Jul-2017
Awesome leaked vid Reggie.  OMFG that was hilarious!

Here's a little something for the butt hurt whiners.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 12:13 24-Jul-2017
Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 14:23 24-Jul-2017
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Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?

You are free to say my name. It is not like I am gonna be offended. I love how you make assumptions about my education(shows your lack of knowledge), language skills (depending on the language I guess) and lack of argumental materials, (frankly -pun intended- I have plenty of materials unlike some other people who seem to latch onto one stupid thing and flog that horse long after it has been eaten.)...it is sooo cute frankie, I never knew you cared. (but it didn't bring a tear to my eye) I am sorry if you have issues with my language...well, no I am not sorry actually. You are right I shouldn't start watching my language. So, I won't!! Goof enough?
 
Have a nice day!

Signed
Some People
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Дідусь on 14:31 24-Jul-2017
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Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?

Again, Frank, relax. This is one very special topic especially for Americans and their US politics. We Germans and Brits should tread warily and instead focus on the fact that several million misinformed and lied to British fackwits voted for Brexit.

At least the TWO moderators are both well qualified to discuss US politics with the forum's learned Democrat. It gives the forum colour - better than technicolor. At least neither Dems nor Reps meddle in the forum's EU politics!




Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 14:51 24-Jul-2017
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Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?

Again, Frank, relax. This is one very special topic especially for Americans and their US politics. We Germans and Brits should tread warily and instead focus on the fact that several million misinformed and lied to British fackwits voted for Brexit.

At least the TWO moderators are both well qualified to discuss US politics with the forum's learned Democrat. It gives the forum colour - better than technicolor. At least neither Dems nor Reps meddle in the forum's EU politics!

I am fairly relaxed and this (politics) is not what I was talking about. I mentioned the language used by some people here ... http://www.speechmastery.com/profanity.html and http://education.byu.edu/youcandothis/swearing_bad_language.html

If this represents the level of discussion I personally find it rather poor.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 15:06 24-Jul-2017
Just don't get into personal confrontations with fellow members of the board, even if they are wrong.   At least we can all agree that the President has high TV ratings and even Democrats cry if he blocks them on Twitter.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 15:11 24-Jul-2017
Well Frank, if the language bothers you, STOP READING THE US POLITICS BOARD.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 15:16 24-Jul-2017
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Just don't get into personal confrontations with fellow members of the board, even if they are wrong.   At least we can all agree that the President has high TV ratings and even Democrats cry if he blocks them on Twitter.

My intention was not to get into a personal confrontation (at least I don't recall having adressed myself at somebody specific). I just made a remark about the language used in the forum .... Maybe that remark is inappropriate? Using foul language maybe more appropriate instead ... But I won't.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 15:20 24-Jul-2017
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Just don't get into personal confrontations with fellow members of the board, even if they are wrong.   At least we can all agree that the President has high TV ratings and even Democrats cry if he blocks them on Twitter.

My intention was not to get into a personal confrontation (at least I don't recall having adressed myself at somebody specific). I just made a remark about the language used in the forum .... Maybe that remark is inappropriate? Using foul language maybe more appropriate instead ... But I won't.

That was addressing what the limits are, not about you, or your posts, particularly.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 15:21 24-Jul-2017
And if somebody tells me not to read this part of the forum, yes that maybe a solution. But it would be the same as saying "just go away and don't  bother us" .... Meaning that arguments and an exchange about problems expats may face in Ukraine are less important than the type of language used.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 15:37 24-Jul-2017
We are definitely not supposed to discuss American politics in other parts of the forum where actual issues relating to living in Ukraine are covered.  Other areas of the forum have fewer explicatives.   The American politics heading was created specifically, to separate the political discussions Americans are addicted to, so that sensitive Europeans who consider this type of discussion sort of gross and embarassing, like looking in strangers' laundry hampers, that Europeans won't see it by accident and barf or hyperventilate.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 16:03 24-Jul-2017
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Have a nice day!

Signed
Some People

 :D :D :D

Now, now Fraucha.   We can implement a specialized human rights form for meeting the needs of everyone's feelings.  May I suggest:

(http://i.imgur.com/9l2gdWA.jpg)

Some people need tender kisses and hugs when playing on the internet.  Especially those that go around calling others "Hitler" and "Pol Pot."  Those are the ones we need to love and embrace the most.  It's what Jesus would do.

Or we could just have a good laugh.   :D :D :D :D

(https://pics.onsizzle.com/this-is-where-the-internet-hurt-me-20715994.png)
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 16:06 24-Jul-2017
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Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?

Again, Frank, relax. This is one very special topic especially for Americans and their US politics. We Germans and Brits should tread warily and instead focus on the fact that several million misinformed and lied to British fackwits voted for Brexit.

At least the TWO moderators are both well qualified to discuss US politics with the forum's learned Democrat. It gives the forum colour - better than technicolor. At least neither Dems nor Reps meddle in the forum's EU politics!

I am fairly relaxed and this (politics) is not what I was talking about. I mentioned the language used by some people here ... http://www.speechmastery.com/profanity.html and http://education.byu.edu/youcandothis/swearing_bad_language.html

If this represents the level of discussion I personally find it rather poor.

Maybe Germans are used to being told what to do and say. But as an American...that doesn't fly with me.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 16:40 24-Jul-2017
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Maybe Germans are used to being told what to do and say. But as an American...that doesn't fly with me.

You hit the nail right on the head.  And that's not bigotry against Germans because at least 58 million Americans are of German descent.  And there's nothing wrong with that.  We love our German-Americans.

Germans used to be heartier and jollier people; but post WWI and WWII started becoming uptight and anti free speech, with successive governments telling them what to think and what to say.

Obviously freedom of thought and expression are central to being an American -- Americans will just talk about things and express themselves, which is how it should be.   
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 17:42 24-Jul-2017
I don't recall having told anyone what to say or what to do ... all I said is that I find the use of foul language in a public forum disappointing. Which has nothing to do with the question if I am hearty or jolly. Interesting to see that some people talk around the hot pie thus evading what I was talking about. But frankly speaking please express yourselves anyway you want. Its your business but just not my style to talk to other people or to voice my opinion ....
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 18:29 24-Jul-2017
@frank:

This forum has some frequent participants who don't respond to what we actually write, but instead their own fantasy about what we write.

Dialog on this basis has no possibility to shed any light.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 19:08 24-Jul-2017
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@frank:

This forum has some frequent participants who don't respond to what we actually write, but instead their own fantasy about what we write.

Dialog on this basis has no possibility to shed any light.

Sounds true to me. However there are some people in exemplary positions, such as presidents, heads of state, department heads owners/moderators of a public forum, teachers, university professors, etc which should set an example. In behavior, the way of expressing themselves, serenity, leadership, and so on. Trump does not qualify for that nor does the writing of some people here ... but anyway, I am in the position to select my friends or the people with whom I like to discuss.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 19:35 24-Jul-2017
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I find the use of foul language in a public forum disappointing.


On occasion you compare forum users (like me  ;D ) to Hitler and Pol Pot.  Don't you think it's a little hypocritical to do that and then to complain because Fraucha used a few adult words?

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Interesting to see that some people talk around the hot pie thus evading what I was talking about.


Hot pie!!? 

Hot pie!!? 

Luftwaffels.

(https://pics.onsizzle.com/mmmm-doischmel-luftwaffels-14143787.png)

Frank, you need to make some attempt in your life at developing a sense of humor.   You will be happier.  The people around you will be happier.  It will be for the best.  Just trust me on this.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 20:38 24-Jul-2017
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@frank:

This forum has some frequent participants who don't respond to what we actually write, but instead their own fantasy about what we write.

Dialog on this basis has no possibility to shed any light.

Sounds true to me. However there are some people in exemplary positions, such as presidents, heads of state, department heads owners/moderators of a public forum, teachers, university professors, etc which should set an example. In behavior, the way of expressing themselves, serenity, leadership, and so on. Trump does not qualify for that nor does the writing of some people here ... but anyway, I am in the position to select my friends or the people with whom I like to discuss.

@Frank if you need someone to set an example for you then you are truly lost. It is cool though you lump me in with Trump and yet you haven't the balls to say my name.....but you can say Trump. It is not like lightening is gonna strike you and send you to hell to party with Der Fuhrer, but when you see him, tell him Rudolph Hess said to my face that "Hitler was a foolish fellow."

@sosednik Yes this forum has some frequent participants who don't respond to what we actually write, you are a great example of that...pot...kettle...black, and yes we try to stay within your little fantasy world but it is just too one sided to even enjoy ourselves properly, and it is just so easy to provoke you and someone else, you are such easy targets, kinda like fishing with bacon and peanut butter..... Got a flashlight?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 20:48 24-Jul-2017
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Frank, you need to make some attempt in your life at developing a sense of humor.   You will be happier.  The people around you will be happier.  It will be for the best.  Just trust me on this.

Did it ever cross your mind that he might be an Accountant?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 20:50 24-Jul-2017
I truly don't need anybody to set an example for me and I have no intention of stepping on somebodies toes. But if it makes you happy i can say that I consider your way of expression being a poor example from the gutter. I am against Nazis by the way and when going to hell I shall certainly not party with that guy nor with any white trash. Question remains if I will go to hell ... but maybe you guys should return to the subject of this discussion?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 20:52 24-Jul-2017
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Frank, you need to make some attempt in your life at developing a sense of humor.   You will be happier.  The people around you will be happier.  It will be for the best.  Just trust me on this.

Did it ever cross your mind that he might be an Accountant?

Who, me? Maybe .... I own a company and that sometimes involves counting money.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 20:58 24-Jul-2017
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I consider your way of expression being a poor example from the gutter. I am against Nazis by the way and when going to hell I shall certainly not party with that guy nor with any white trash.

Jesus Christ, Frank.  You are too uptight for your own well-being.  You're going to have a meltdown. 

1.  You have a freak-out because Fraucha used some adult words on a political topic (put your big boy pants on Frank - relax).

2.  Then you say it's 'talk from the gutter.'

3.  Then you go off on implying people are Hitler, Pol Pot or 'White Trash.'

Listen, I'm trying to help you out here.   There's something going on in your life that's not right; it's not working for you.   You need to relax and develop a sense of humor or take up yoga or something.   You are really wound-up tight.  It's not good for your health.  It's normal for people to argue and make-up, but with you it's always bubbling beneath the surface.   

We've all argued with each other here and then had a good laugh afterwards, developed a sense of friendship, helped each other out.  Frank, you've got to learn to relax a little man; you're like a coiled spring of anger.  And I'll be honest with you -- modern-day Germany has this problem a lot (so does Japan, but the Japanese admit it).  You need to soften up a little.  If politics isn't for you, write about something that is your cup of tea and you know about (Do you know anything about BMW engines?  Write about maintenance of German cars.  The best oil to use, or whatever.  But politics isn't your thing.   You can't keep your emotions together.)

I know for a fact that Fraucha can make a joke about all this; have a good laugh; and be ok.   Frank, with you, it's like you're constantly seething with anger.  I know you will wake up angry tomorrow and won't be able to stop thinking about this; you'll obsess over this; that's not healthy.   
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 21:15 24-Jul-2017
Yeah Frank, I am afraid Reggie is right. Relax dude. You gonna burst a vein in your temple and then we will have to send flowers to your house and you just know the delivery guy will be late.

Berliners used to be party animals, what the hell happened to you guys??

Gutter speak: (FYI I only run one Forsaken in WoW)  http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Gutterspeak
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 21:29 24-Jul-2017
I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Дідусь on 21:48 24-Jul-2017
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Well Frank, if the language bothers you, STOP READING THE US POLITICS BOARD.

That would have been my next post had the complaints continued.

Thanks
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 22:07 24-Jul-2017
@Fraucha, who wrote:

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participants who don't respond to what we actually write, you are a great example of that

I try to be very careful to respond to what people actually said, and not to "put words into their mouth" (or in our case, into their keyboard).

If you can find any example where I "interpreted" another's comment into something they didn't actually say, I'd be grateful if you'd show it to me.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 22:26 24-Jul-2017
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I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.

For fuc k's sake frank, if you blocked Reggie then how the hell are you gonna participate fully? That is a DICK move...YOUR fault.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 22:45 24-Jul-2017
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Frank, you need to make some attempt in your life at developing a sense of humor.   

Several Binding lagers with schnapps chasers should help quite a bit.  Then tuck into some bratwurst.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 23:24 24-Jul-2017
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Several Binding lagers with schnapps chasers should help quite a bit.  Then tuck into some bratwurst.

That's so true.  I had a German friend, Matthias, that immigrated to the U.S.  It took about 10 years to get rid of 90% of his uptightness (it's just something that happened to German culture after WW2).  He still struggles with it.  He's much happier now that he's adjusted to the U.S. and doesn't take himself so seriously.  It took him 10 years to laugh at jokes or to tell one.   

And I knew some really lovely German ladies that had issues with their husbands for the same reasons, and they would tell me that there was a lot of discontent in marriages in Germany now because of this trend.   German women are actually not uptight.   Of course, I knew some German men that were relaxed too, but the percentage is less; the trend is opposite for men. 

However, if you look at older German immigrant communities in the U.S., like in Pennsylvania, you will see an entirely different culture (almost like walking into an Irish pub on St. Patty's day).  The Germany they came from and the Germany that exists today are two totally different places.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 00:50 25-Jul-2017
Update:

Reuters reports that Russian attorney Veselnitskaya, present at the meeting where Trump Jr sought information to use against Clinton, represented Putin's old service (presently called the FSB) over a period of about 8 years, from 2005 to 2013.

My previous information was that she was a paid representative of the FSB in 2011.
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Note to any hooey golandski who may read this comment:  the information above is for people who are actually interested in Trump Jr's meeting with persons offering help for the Trump campaign from the Russian Federation.

To the best of my understanding, this information does not implicate anything of a criminal nature.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 02:20 25-Jul-2017
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I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.

For fuc k's sake frank, if you blocked Reggie then how the hell are you gonna participate fully? That is a DICK move...YOUR fault.

You are apparently unable to communicate in decent language. Which means I am going to block you.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 03:36 25-Jul-2017
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I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.

For fuc k's sake frank, if you blocked Reggie then how the hell are you gonna participate fully? That is a DICK move...YOUR fault.

You are apparently unable to communicate in decent language. Which means I am going to block you.

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 03:37 25-Jul-2017
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Update:

Reuters reports that Russian attorney Veselnitskaya, present at the meeting where Trump Jr sought information to use against Clinton, represented Putin's old service (presently called the FSB) over a period of about 8 years, from 2005 to 2013.

My previous information was that she was a paid representative of the FSB in 2011.
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Note to any hooey golandski who may read this comment:  the information above is for people who are actually interested in Trump Jr's meeting with persons offering help for the Trump campaign from the Russian Federation.

To the best of my understanding, this information does not implicate anything of a criminal nature.

Ok so Team Trump dug for dirt on Clowntoon, Team Clowntoon dug for dirt on Trump.  Trump won.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 08:09 25-Jul-2017
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I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.

For fuc k's sake frank, if you blocked Reggie then how the hell are you gonna participate fully? That is a DICK move...YOUR fault.

You are apparently unable to communicate in decent language. Which means I am going to block you.

 :D :D :D


Somehow that is even more childish than me....which is pretty sad because I do my best to be a 9 year old, but frankiepie...blocking people only makes you look like an 8 year old, you need to aim higher!! Wait, he can't read this! Reggie he can't read you either....WE are special snowflakes. Kinda like the He Man Woman Haters Club, except blocked by a constipated German.

My life ... is over.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 09:51 25-Jul-2017


I hear you Fraucha.   I've seen this before.  I'm actually trying to help the guy find a better way to blend in, lighten up, make friends.   It's sad in a way.   The German ladies I knew all hated the stiff, formalistic, humorless, bitter trend that has taken root in Germany.  Obviously I don't want to insult all German men; I've met plenty of relaxed and fun ones; but this sour lemon approach is there too.

I hope Frank sticks around and learns a way to blend in and make friends.