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Title: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 10:44 15-Jul-2017
    Trump Jr. attempted to collude with Russia, but deal inartfully prosecuted, claims he forgot about it:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/borscht-thickens-trump-circle-russia-ties-article-1.3327609
Kushner and Manafort present for meeting with two alleged Russian agents.
    Email from Goldstone, music promotor spells out that this is Russia's support for Trump.  Jr. is up for that, but very disappointed that the discussion at the meeting is not about helping Trump win, but about the welfare of orphans which he didn't care about.
   Trump Sr.  "Most people would have acted as (Jr.) did"   The President, who didn't know about the meeting, is right, excepting that Hillary would have hired a contractor as was done in the situation with the Dossier.  Hillary would not have been using Chelsea as her bagman for a dirty job like that.

Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 11:06 15-Jul-2017


"Akhmetshin (a dual Russian/American citizen) is also reportedly a former officer in Russia?s military intelligence service."

If the U.S. government knew this to be true, why did it let this guy (1) become a citizen, (2) let him into country, and (3) let him stay in the country?  And if he has engaged in violations of US criminal laws, why is he walking around a free man?  These types of questions need to be asked.  I think if the allegations are true, the people in the immigration and naturalization services and the intelligence services need to be held accountable - where are the news stories about that?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 11:37 15-Jul-2017
I expect Akhmetshin can be a genuine immigrant, defector, or even a mole.  Really, the more interesting situation is the lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya as the Justice Dept. and State Dept. went to extrordinary efforts to let her stay in the country and ultimately Loretta Lynch might have had to sign something to let her remain in the U.S. :
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/14/mystery-solved-timeline-shows-how-russian-lawyer-got-into-us-for-trump-jr-meeting.html
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 13:41 15-Jul-2017
Another question not being asked is why, after having been denied a visa, did oblome's AG cite special circumstances and give the lady advocate a visa? 

And, why did the AG's office give the visa?  Isn't that State's dept?

Another "skandal" that began on Barry's watch.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 14:05 15-Jul-2017
The best one yet!   :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF5o4nOqwv4
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 19:10 15-Jul-2017
Natalia Veselnitskaya personally knows and has done business with President Trump as Miss Universe and the President may have seen her naked, because he bragged about barging into the locker rooms of his contests and asking the women changing costumes if everything is O.K., like it wouldn't raise an eybrow, because it is an inspection by the impressario of the contest.   So, of course Natalia was an obvious choice to infiltrate Trump Tower and right under Melania's nose too!  Fortunately, this Russian spy no longer meets Trump's high standards.
Hello Magazine:
(http://us.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/news-in-pics/2010/08/24/trump.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 03:36 16-Jul-2017
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"Akhmetshin (a dual Russian/American citizen) is also reportedly a former officer in Russia?s military intelligence service."

If the U.S. government knew this to be true, why did it let this guy (1) become a citizen, (2) let him into country, and (3) let him stay in the country?  And if he has engaged in violations of US criminal laws, why is he walking around a free man?  These types of questions need to be asked.  I think if the allegations are true, the people in the immigration and naturalization services and the intelligence services need to be held accountable - where are the news stories about that?

Akhmetshin worked for the same group, Fusion GPS, the Pro-Hillary group that sponsored the scandalous Dossier that defamed Trump, and really got the Russia collusion campaign going.  So you could infer that either Akhmetshin works for either political party  that has some dirty job for him, involving Russia.  You can also reasonably suspect that he is out to make money while damaging American's confidence in the political system and politicians.  So, Donald Jr. was probably set up to some degree.  Not that he has an excuse other than genes for being a gullible fool. 
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/15/ex-soviet-officer-who-attended-trump-tower-meeting-is-connected-to-pro-clinton-org-that-made-dossier/

Kushner's lawyer just quit representing him in matters specifically related to the Russia investigation, a mutual decision.  This decision was taken because Robert Mueller, the Special Counsel, was the Dem connected lawyer's law partner until Mueller quit to work on the Russia investigation. 
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342100-kushners-lawyer-dropping-out-of-representing-him-report

Title: Why Won't this Trump/Russia Thing Just Fade Away?
Post by: sosednik on 20:41 22-Jul-2017
Perhaps, because it keeps getting bigger and stinkier.

The NY Times has found, by searching in publicly available records, that Russian lawyer Natalia V. Veselnitskaya, who claims to have no ties to the Kremlin and never to have worked for the Russian government ...

... 6 years ago represented Military Unit 55002 in a court case.  This unit was created by the FSB (successor to the KGB) and is registered to an address in front of the Lubyanka, in a building that houses various branches of the FSB.

(By way of explanation, many countries have overlap between their military and intelligence activities.  For example, the US NSA is part of the Department of Defense, whereas the CIA is essentially an independent agency.)
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 21:42 22-Jul-2017


For the last time; prior cases a lawyer worked on  for clients XYZ, have no bearing on the guilt of a different client (A, B, or C).   

Lawyers that represented OJ Simpson or Charles Manson turned around the next day worked on home mortgage cases and incorporating a chain of supermarkets.   

It means nothing (nada, zip, zilch, diddly-squat) to say "oh this is OJ's lawyer."  That's what lawyers do: take different cases.  And rationale judges that hear those types of arguments understand that they are dealing with fanatics.

Guilt by association (through a lawyer) is something the Bolsheviks did; they would just round up so-&-so, because he knew so-&-so, who had coffee with so-&-so; and while we're at it, let's just kill so-&-so who slept with all of them.

In fact, it had a name The "Great Purge and Terror" (Большо́й терро́р).   It is understood as a campaign of political repression and  large-scale killing of  officials, political opponents; and terror against a wide spectrum of society from peasants to the Army leadership; and widespread police surveillance, suspicion of "saboteurs", "counter-revolutionaries", imprisonment, and arbitrary executions.

It was entirely rooted on who met with whom;  who knew whom.  And which lawyer represented which client. 
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 23:05 22-Jul-2017
Here's what some American Moms (even a couple Dems) wanna hear about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlpMRWZ7clk
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 23:19 22-Jul-2017
@Reggie:

For the last time?  I will believe that, when I don't see a repetition!

Reggie correctly states that association is, in general, an absolutely invalid basis for criminal conviction in a court of law.

Reggie seems to incorrectly confuse this forum with a criminal law court.  Neither I, nor anyone here (to my knowledge!) has an atom's weight of authority to legally convict, or for that matter to exonerate.  Therefore, we are NOT subject to the strictures of a criminal court.  DUH

If anyone needs tips on how to distinguish a criminal court from an internet forum, I'll be pleased to provide some.
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Studying associations (which are not in themselves criminal) is a completely valid, and in fact indispensable, technique of criminal investigation.  It does not determine who is guilty, but helps to identify suspects and persons of interest.

A great many crimes and criminals would have gone undiscovered, without the tracing of such associations.
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It's hard to overstate how foolish it is, to apply such criminal court standards to other areas of life!

The processes of criminal courts (at least, as understood by those of us lucky enough to live in countries with liberal constitutions in force) are NOT, in the first instance, designed to reveal truth.

Instead these processes are, with very good reason, strongly biased toward the protection of defendants.  They are based on the famous maxim of Sir William Blackstone:  "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

This bias is a wonderfully humane feature of a system of criminal justice.

It's a bat-sh!t crazy way to understand what's happening in the world around us.

Not long ago, I read the comments of two pompous overgrown boys (on a different forum) demanding that no state should take action against another without proof "beyond a reasonable doubt," even on matters of national security!

If you want your country to disappear into history books, applying the standards of criminal courts in such an inappropriate domain is a grand start.
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To give a more homely example, when starting a romantic or business relationship with someone, it is reasonable and prudent to take note of the kinds of people that person associates with.  YOU CAN LEARN A LOT THAT WAY.  If they have numerous connections with criminals or the morally depraved, there may be some good reason ... but it's damned stupid to ignore this!
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Now, having sentenced Trump Jr to 50 lashes of flogging, I shall wait for the bailiff to take down the Sword of State from the paneled wall behind me, and retire to remove my powdered wig and black robes.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 00:20 23-Jul-2017
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Reggie seems to incorrectly confuse this forum with a criminal law court. 

When you repeatedly suggest (Ad nauseam) that Trump committed crimes (the high-crime of Treason by working for Putin), that requires a discussion of - - - - (wait for it!) - - - - the criminal law.

You say the man committed a crime, but don't want a discussion of the criminal law?!!!  How does that make sense?   

I love this part:

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Reggie correctly states that association is, in general, an absolutely invalid basis for criminal conviction in a court of law.


Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 01:07 23-Jul-2017
@Reggie:

Even if it were proved that Trump is Putin's paid agent, it is not at all clear to me that such would meet the legal standard for treason.

Reggie, over and over and over you commit the straw man fallacy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)

This is both without any constructive benefit, and exceedingly tiresome.  Would you kindly respond to what I actually say, rather than what you imagine I was thinking or implying?  I try in my writing to be really clear and specific.

Today, I simply reported that a Russian lawyer who met with Trump Jr represented a branch of the FSB and nonetheless disclaimed having worked for the Russian government.  That does not implicate any crime (as far as I know), and I DIDN'T SAY THERE WAS ANY CRIME.

Please please please please STOP WITH THE STRAW MAN.  You are intelligent and learned enough not to play such games.
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Even if I had alleged a crime, there is a vital distinction between criminal law and criminal court procedure.

To give an example many readers can relate to, a criminal court found O J Simpson not guilty of homicide charges, and there, as a matter of law, the legal question of his criminal guilt in that case must stand.

At the same time, millions of ordinary citizens considered the evidence that was presented at the trial and concluded that his guilt of double murder was proven to near certainty -- very very likely, the truth of the matter.

Whether or not you agree with such citizen judgments, which have no legal force ... they are an example of applying a homely knowledge of criminal law (that it is a felony to violently deprive persons of their life in such circumstances) without being bound by the rules of the criminal court.  People do this every day.  There's nothing wrong with it!  To forbid it is madness, and would prevent the functioning of democracy.

Those who are not involved in a criminal trial as judge, jury, attorneys or other court officers are in no way bound by the rules of criminal procedure in seeking and making their best determination of the truth.  On what crazy planet, does it make sense to suggest otherwise?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 01:22 23-Jul-2017


You accuse Trump of crimes, which requires  discussing criminal law, then to avoid discussing the law you write ridiculous things like this: "Reggie seems to incorrectly confuse this forum with a criminal law court."

Maybe you meant Trump violated one of the Ten Commandments, or sinned against Buddha, but to me it looked as if you were accusing Trump of violations of the criminal law.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 01:32 23-Jul-2017
Quod Erat Demonstrandum
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 07:58 23-Jul-2017
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Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Then offer up the proof from multiple sources, and not multiple sources that reference a single source.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 13:43 23-Jul-2017
@Fraucha:

I didn't prove nuthin.

It was Reggie, who gave a proof.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 15:48 23-Jul-2017
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@Fraucha:

I didn't prove nuthin.

It was Reggie, who gave a proof.

Yes, I proved that when a person consistently accuses Trump (or whomever) of committing crimes, it's a ridiculous attempt at obfuscation to avoid a discussion of the criminal law through statements like this --->  "Reggie seems to incorrectly confuse this forum with a criminal law court."

When you have an intelligible system of judging Trump's 'crimes' that does not require a discussion of the criminal law, let me know.   I am open to judging Trump by the following alternative body of rules:

(1) The rules of etiquette for Shao Lin Monks.
(2)  Buddhist Sin Theory
(3)  and the Food and Drug Administration's guide on nutritional requirements for teenagers.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 16:10 23-Jul-2017
And the beat goes on.........and on..................and on.............and...........

Even after Clown News Network's own peeps got caught on camera saying the russian crap was all about ratings and money and a NOTHING BURGER.



Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 17:16 23-Jul-2017
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@Fraucha:

I didn't prove nuthin.

It was Reggie, who gave a proof.

you can't prove (haven't proved) anything anyway
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 18:07 23-Jul-2017
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you can't prove (haven't proved) anything anyway

(http://americanlibertypac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/No-Evidence-600-LI.jpg)

I disagree.  There is ample evidence of premature mud-slinging and a witch hunt.  I can't remember a President being hounded like this ever.

It's like they're trying to do the election over with tabloid-style sensationalism.  Like this:

(http://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/trumpgetsmart_phixrWHTM.png)

Trump is a Russian spy?  A patsy for Putin?  Give me a freakin' break.   

Russia has negligible sway over the American election system.   Wasn't the original story based upon Putin supposedly having sex tapes of Trump?  A huge mish-mash of tabloid style nonsense that has now evolved into investigating Trump's family.

I found the Trump sex tape:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noMM7TChjio
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 19:21 23-Jul-2017
Here is my take on all of this bullshit:

Screw you . If you don't like Trump, too f uck ing bad. Man up and deal with it. It is not like all of the bitching and moaning on this forum will make a fu king speck of difference. And if all you can do is point out mistakes then I suggest you get your intelligent ass to D.C. to tell him how to do it.

We pointed out Obamas screw up for years and NOTHING came of it.

You all can cry like butt hurt babies. But it is clear all your caterwaulin' is less than zero in just about EVERYONE's book.

Jesus Freaking Jumping Christ on a Palomino.


Here one less thang to freaking cry about:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/23/us/politics/trump-russia-sanctions.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 21:29 23-Jul-2017
Awesome leaked vid Reggie.  OMFG that was hilarious!

Here's a little something for the butt hurt whiners.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 12:13 24-Jul-2017
Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 14:23 24-Jul-2017
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Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?

You are free to say my name. It is not like I am gonna be offended. I love how you make assumptions about my education(shows your lack of knowledge), language skills (depending on the language I guess) and lack of argumental materials, (frankly -pun intended- I have plenty of materials unlike some other people who seem to latch onto one stupid thing and flog that horse long after it has been eaten.)...it is sooo cute frankie, I never knew you cared. (but it didn't bring a tear to my eye) I am sorry if you have issues with my language...well, no I am not sorry actually. You are right I shouldn't start watching my language. So, I won't!! Goof enough?
 
Have a nice day!

Signed
Some People
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Дідусь on 14:31 24-Jul-2017
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Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?

Again, Frank, relax. This is one very special topic especially for Americans and their US politics. We Germans and Brits should tread warily and instead focus on the fact that several million misinformed and lied to British fackwits voted for Brexit.

At least the TWO moderators are both well qualified to discuss US politics with the forum's learned Democrat. It gives the forum colour - better than technicolor. At least neither Dems nor Reps meddle in the forum's EU politics!




Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 14:51 24-Jul-2017
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Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?

Again, Frank, relax. This is one very special topic especially for Americans and their US politics. We Germans and Brits should tread warily and instead focus on the fact that several million misinformed and lied to British fackwits voted for Brexit.

At least the TWO moderators are both well qualified to discuss US politics with the forum's learned Democrat. It gives the forum colour - better than technicolor. At least neither Dems nor Reps meddle in the forum's EU politics!

I am fairly relaxed and this (politics) is not what I was talking about. I mentioned the language used by some people here ... http://www.speechmastery.com/profanity.html and http://education.byu.edu/youcandothis/swearing_bad_language.html

If this represents the level of discussion I personally find it rather poor.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 15:06 24-Jul-2017
Just don't get into personal confrontations with fellow members of the board, even if they are wrong.   At least we can all agree that the President has high TV ratings and even Democrats cry if he blocks them on Twitter.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 15:11 24-Jul-2017
Well Frank, if the language bothers you, STOP READING THE US POLITICS BOARD.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 15:16 24-Jul-2017
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Just don't get into personal confrontations with fellow members of the board, even if they are wrong.   At least we can all agree that the President has high TV ratings and even Democrats cry if he blocks them on Twitter.

My intention was not to get into a personal confrontation (at least I don't recall having adressed myself at somebody specific). I just made a remark about the language used in the forum .... Maybe that remark is inappropriate? Using foul language maybe more appropriate instead ... But I won't.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 15:20 24-Jul-2017
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Just don't get into personal confrontations with fellow members of the board, even if they are wrong.   At least we can all agree that the President has high TV ratings and even Democrats cry if he blocks them on Twitter.

My intention was not to get into a personal confrontation (at least I don't recall having adressed myself at somebody specific). I just made a remark about the language used in the forum .... Maybe that remark is inappropriate? Using foul language maybe more appropriate instead ... But I won't.

That was addressing what the limits are, not about you, or your posts, particularly.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 15:21 24-Jul-2017
And if somebody tells me not to read this part of the forum, yes that maybe a solution. But it would be the same as saying "just go away and don't  bother us" .... Meaning that arguments and an exchange about problems expats may face in Ukraine are less important than the type of language used.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 15:37 24-Jul-2017
We are definitely not supposed to discuss American politics in other parts of the forum where actual issues relating to living in Ukraine are covered.  Other areas of the forum have fewer explicatives.   The American politics heading was created specifically, to separate the political discussions Americans are addicted to, so that sensitive Europeans who consider this type of discussion sort of gross and embarassing, like looking in strangers' laundry hampers, that Europeans won't see it by accident and barf or hyperventilate.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 16:03 24-Jul-2017
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Have a nice day!

Signed
Some People

 :D :D :D

Now, now Fraucha.   We can implement a specialized human rights form for meeting the needs of everyone's feelings.  May I suggest:

(http://i.imgur.com/9l2gdWA.jpg)

Some people need tender kisses and hugs when playing on the internet.  Especially those that go around calling others "Hitler" and "Pol Pot."  Those are the ones we need to love and embrace the most.  It's what Jesus would do.

Or we could just have a good laugh.   :D :D :D :D

(https://pics.onsizzle.com/this-is-where-the-internet-hurt-me-20715994.png)
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 16:06 24-Jul-2017
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Aside of good arguments which people may have (or not ...) i wonder if some people shouldn't start watching their language. ... this swearing and use of bad language, particularly by so called moderators, is not a goof example for others I would say. It is just an example for either poor education, poor language skills, or generally for a lack of arguments.  Sorry for hijacking David but this just came to my mind when reading some of the comments here. Maybe a topic for a separate discussion?

Again, Frank, relax. This is one very special topic especially for Americans and their US politics. We Germans and Brits should tread warily and instead focus on the fact that several million misinformed and lied to British fackwits voted for Brexit.

At least the TWO moderators are both well qualified to discuss US politics with the forum's learned Democrat. It gives the forum colour - better than technicolor. At least neither Dems nor Reps meddle in the forum's EU politics!

I am fairly relaxed and this (politics) is not what I was talking about. I mentioned the language used by some people here ... http://www.speechmastery.com/profanity.html and http://education.byu.edu/youcandothis/swearing_bad_language.html

If this represents the level of discussion I personally find it rather poor.

Maybe Germans are used to being told what to do and say. But as an American...that doesn't fly with me.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 16:40 24-Jul-2017
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Maybe Germans are used to being told what to do and say. But as an American...that doesn't fly with me.

You hit the nail right on the head.  And that's not bigotry against Germans because at least 58 million Americans are of German descent.  And there's nothing wrong with that.  We love our German-Americans.

Germans used to be heartier and jollier people; but post WWI and WWII started becoming uptight and anti free speech, with successive governments telling them what to think and what to say.

Obviously freedom of thought and expression are central to being an American -- Americans will just talk about things and express themselves, which is how it should be.   
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 17:42 24-Jul-2017
I don't recall having told anyone what to say or what to do ... all I said is that I find the use of foul language in a public forum disappointing. Which has nothing to do with the question if I am hearty or jolly. Interesting to see that some people talk around the hot pie thus evading what I was talking about. But frankly speaking please express yourselves anyway you want. Its your business but just not my style to talk to other people or to voice my opinion ....
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 18:29 24-Jul-2017
@frank:

This forum has some frequent participants who don't respond to what we actually write, but instead their own fantasy about what we write.

Dialog on this basis has no possibility to shed any light.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 19:08 24-Jul-2017
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@frank:

This forum has some frequent participants who don't respond to what we actually write, but instead their own fantasy about what we write.

Dialog on this basis has no possibility to shed any light.

Sounds true to me. However there are some people in exemplary positions, such as presidents, heads of state, department heads owners/moderators of a public forum, teachers, university professors, etc which should set an example. In behavior, the way of expressing themselves, serenity, leadership, and so on. Trump does not qualify for that nor does the writing of some people here ... but anyway, I am in the position to select my friends or the people with whom I like to discuss.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 19:35 24-Jul-2017
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I find the use of foul language in a public forum disappointing.


On occasion you compare forum users (like me  ;D ) to Hitler and Pol Pot.  Don't you think it's a little hypocritical to do that and then to complain because Fraucha used a few adult words?

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Interesting to see that some people talk around the hot pie thus evading what I was talking about.


Hot pie!!? 

Hot pie!!? 

Luftwaffels.

(https://pics.onsizzle.com/mmmm-doischmel-luftwaffels-14143787.png)

Frank, you need to make some attempt in your life at developing a sense of humor.   You will be happier.  The people around you will be happier.  It will be for the best.  Just trust me on this.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 20:38 24-Jul-2017
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@frank:

This forum has some frequent participants who don't respond to what we actually write, but instead their own fantasy about what we write.

Dialog on this basis has no possibility to shed any light.

Sounds true to me. However there are some people in exemplary positions, such as presidents, heads of state, department heads owners/moderators of a public forum, teachers, university professors, etc which should set an example. In behavior, the way of expressing themselves, serenity, leadership, and so on. Trump does not qualify for that nor does the writing of some people here ... but anyway, I am in the position to select my friends or the people with whom I like to discuss.

@Frank if you need someone to set an example for you then you are truly lost. It is cool though you lump me in with Trump and yet you haven't the balls to say my name.....but you can say Trump. It is not like lightening is gonna strike you and send you to hell to party with Der Fuhrer, but when you see him, tell him Rudolph Hess said to my face that "Hitler was a foolish fellow."

@sosednik Yes this forum has some frequent participants who don't respond to what we actually write, you are a great example of that...pot...kettle...black, and yes we try to stay within your little fantasy world but it is just too one sided to even enjoy ourselves properly, and it is just so easy to provoke you and someone else, you are such easy targets, kinda like fishing with bacon and peanut butter..... Got a flashlight?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 20:48 24-Jul-2017
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Frank, you need to make some attempt in your life at developing a sense of humor.   You will be happier.  The people around you will be happier.  It will be for the best.  Just trust me on this.

Did it ever cross your mind that he might be an Accountant?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 20:50 24-Jul-2017
I truly don't need anybody to set an example for me and I have no intention of stepping on somebodies toes. But if it makes you happy i can say that I consider your way of expression being a poor example from the gutter. I am against Nazis by the way and when going to hell I shall certainly not party with that guy nor with any white trash. Question remains if I will go to hell ... but maybe you guys should return to the subject of this discussion?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 20:52 24-Jul-2017
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Frank, you need to make some attempt in your life at developing a sense of humor.   You will be happier.  The people around you will be happier.  It will be for the best.  Just trust me on this.

Did it ever cross your mind that he might be an Accountant?

Who, me? Maybe .... I own a company and that sometimes involves counting money.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 20:58 24-Jul-2017
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I consider your way of expression being a poor example from the gutter. I am against Nazis by the way and when going to hell I shall certainly not party with that guy nor with any white trash.

Jesus Christ, Frank.  You are too uptight for your own well-being.  You're going to have a meltdown. 

1.  You have a freak-out because Fraucha used some adult words on a political topic (put your big boy pants on Frank - relax).

2.  Then you say it's 'talk from the gutter.'

3.  Then you go off on implying people are Hitler, Pol Pot or 'White Trash.'

Listen, I'm trying to help you out here.   There's something going on in your life that's not right; it's not working for you.   You need to relax and develop a sense of humor or take up yoga or something.   You are really wound-up tight.  It's not good for your health.  It's normal for people to argue and make-up, but with you it's always bubbling beneath the surface.   

We've all argued with each other here and then had a good laugh afterwards, developed a sense of friendship, helped each other out.  Frank, you've got to learn to relax a little man; you're like a coiled spring of anger.  And I'll be honest with you -- modern-day Germany has this problem a lot (so does Japan, but the Japanese admit it).  You need to soften up a little.  If politics isn't for you, write about something that is your cup of tea and you know about (Do you know anything about BMW engines?  Write about maintenance of German cars.  The best oil to use, or whatever.  But politics isn't your thing.   You can't keep your emotions together.)

I know for a fact that Fraucha can make a joke about all this; have a good laugh; and be ok.   Frank, with you, it's like you're constantly seething with anger.  I know you will wake up angry tomorrow and won't be able to stop thinking about this; you'll obsess over this; that's not healthy.   
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 21:15 24-Jul-2017
Yeah Frank, I am afraid Reggie is right. Relax dude. You gonna burst a vein in your temple and then we will have to send flowers to your house and you just know the delivery guy will be late.

Berliners used to be party animals, what the hell happened to you guys??

Gutter speak: (FYI I only run one Forsaken in WoW)  http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Gutterspeak
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 21:29 24-Jul-2017
I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Дідусь on 21:48 24-Jul-2017
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Well Frank, if the language bothers you, STOP READING THE US POLITICS BOARD.

That would have been my next post had the complaints continued.

Thanks
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 22:07 24-Jul-2017
@Fraucha, who wrote:

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participants who don't respond to what we actually write, you are a great example of that

I try to be very careful to respond to what people actually said, and not to "put words into their mouth" (or in our case, into their keyboard).

If you can find any example where I "interpreted" another's comment into something they didn't actually say, I'd be grateful if you'd show it to me.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 22:26 24-Jul-2017
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I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.

For fuc k's sake frank, if you blocked Reggie then how the hell are you gonna participate fully? That is a DICK move...YOUR fault.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 22:45 24-Jul-2017
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Frank, you need to make some attempt in your life at developing a sense of humor.   

Several Binding lagers with schnapps chasers should help quite a bit.  Then tuck into some bratwurst.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 23:24 24-Jul-2017
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Several Binding lagers with schnapps chasers should help quite a bit.  Then tuck into some bratwurst.

That's so true.  I had a German friend, Matthias, that immigrated to the U.S.  It took about 10 years to get rid of 90% of his uptightness (it's just something that happened to German culture after WW2).  He still struggles with it.  He's much happier now that he's adjusted to the U.S. and doesn't take himself so seriously.  It took him 10 years to laugh at jokes or to tell one.   

And I knew some really lovely German ladies that had issues with their husbands for the same reasons, and they would tell me that there was a lot of discontent in marriages in Germany now because of this trend.   German women are actually not uptight.   Of course, I knew some German men that were relaxed too, but the percentage is less; the trend is opposite for men. 

However, if you look at older German immigrant communities in the U.S., like in Pennsylvania, you will see an entirely different culture (almost like walking into an Irish pub on St. Patty's day).  The Germany they came from and the Germany that exists today are two totally different places.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 00:50 25-Jul-2017
Update:

Reuters reports that Russian attorney Veselnitskaya, present at the meeting where Trump Jr sought information to use against Clinton, represented Putin's old service (presently called the FSB) over a period of about 8 years, from 2005 to 2013.

My previous information was that she was a paid representative of the FSB in 2011.
_________________________________

Note to any hooey golandski who may read this comment:  the information above is for people who are actually interested in Trump Jr's meeting with persons offering help for the Trump campaign from the Russian Federation.

To the best of my understanding, this information does not implicate anything of a criminal nature.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 02:20 25-Jul-2017
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I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.

For fuc k's sake frank, if you blocked Reggie then how the hell are you gonna participate fully? That is a DICK move...YOUR fault.

You are apparently unable to communicate in decent language. Which means I am going to block you.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 03:36 25-Jul-2017
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I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.

For fuc k's sake frank, if you blocked Reggie then how the hell are you gonna participate fully? That is a DICK move...YOUR fault.

You are apparently unable to communicate in decent language. Which means I am going to block you.

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 03:37 25-Jul-2017
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Update:

Reuters reports that Russian attorney Veselnitskaya, present at the meeting where Trump Jr sought information to use against Clinton, represented Putin's old service (presently called the FSB) over a period of about 8 years, from 2005 to 2013.

My previous information was that she was a paid representative of the FSB in 2011.
_________________________________

Note to any hooey golandski who may read this comment:  the information above is for people who are actually interested in Trump Jr's meeting with persons offering help for the Trump campaign from the Russian Federation.

To the best of my understanding, this information does not implicate anything of a criminal nature.

Ok so Team Trump dug for dirt on Clowntoon, Team Clowntoon dug for dirt on Trump.  Trump won.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 08:09 25-Jul-2017
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I am not quite interested in what a certain Reggie is writing or has to say as I have blocked this user. I think the discussion here is not about my mental state ... which is fine by the way and I am more relaxed than I can imagine. And I am not from Berlin. Have a pleasant evening.

For fuc k's sake frank, if you blocked Reggie then how the hell are you gonna participate fully? That is a DICK move...YOUR fault.

You are apparently unable to communicate in decent language. Which means I am going to block you.

 :D :D :D


Somehow that is even more childish than me....which is pretty sad because I do my best to be a 9 year old, but frankiepie...blocking people only makes you look like an 8 year old, you need to aim higher!! Wait, he can't read this! Reggie he can't read you either....WE are special snowflakes. Kinda like the He Man Woman Haters Club, except blocked by a constipated German.

My life ... is over.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 09:51 25-Jul-2017


I hear you Fraucha.   I've seen this before.  I'm actually trying to help the guy find a better way to blend in, lighten up, make friends.   It's sad in a way.   The German ladies I knew all hated the stiff, formalistic, humorless, bitter trend that has taken root in Germany.  Obviously I don't want to insult all German men; I've met plenty of relaxed and fun ones; but this sour lemon approach is there too.

I hope Frank sticks around and learns a way to blend in and make friends.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: julienp on 13:29 25-Jul-2017
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I hope Frank sticks around and learns a way to blend in and make friends.
Maybe he doesn't have on his bucket list "make friends on internet with old american guys"  ;D
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Дідусь on 13:46 25-Jul-2017
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I hope Frank sticks around and learns a way to blend in and make friends.
Maybe he doesn't have on his bucket list "make friends on internet with old american guys"  ;D


............... and an ancient Brit!  :)
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 14:26 25-Jul-2017
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Maybe he doesn't have on his bucket list "make friends on internet with old american guys"  ;D

Then maybe he can let his anger boil over and invade France again.    :D :D

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SekrVjD5lRA/TewO4S2PfWI/AAAAAAAAA1g/85mOGfSyuVE/s640/cartoon.gif)

But seriously -- and I hope you can take a joke -- even women and family members will be off-put by that type of rigidity and bitterness also.  (And to be clear, Frank's latest meltdown isn't even due to an argument with me, but 2 other Americans.)

If you're really his friend, you'll help him become more sociable and less bitter and angry.   Nobody is out to get Frank.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 14:51 25-Jul-2017
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I hope Frank sticks around and learns a way to blend in and make friends.
Maybe he doesn't have on his bucket list "make friends on internet with old american guys"  ;D

J'ai pas besoin d'?tre amicale avec des gens qui savent m?me pas s'exprimer d'une fa?on propre.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 14:57 25-Jul-2017
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I hope Frank sticks around and learns a way to blend in and make friends.
Maybe he doesn't have on his bucket list "make friends on internet with old american guys"  ;D

J'ai pas besoin d'?tre amicale avec des gens qui savent m?me pas s'exprimer d'une fa?on propre.

Don't push your p.c. values on me buddy boy. YOU are the one trying to participate in a conversation with your own intentional handicap.....

I suggest you read what Reggie posted...oh wait you can't  because your head is too far up your butt.
Until then even talking to you is a total waste of time.... lol you got me blocked too so some one will have to cut and past this lol...what a moron.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 14:57 25-Jul-2017
Calmez-vous, Frank.   

Vous etes trop stresse.   Va a la plage.  Relax hombre.

----------------------

And an interesting story about Trump and Germany:  https://www.thelocal.de/20170302/what-its-like-to-be-a-republican-in-germany-with-president-trump

"What's it like for Trump supporters in Germany?

Polls show Germans generally wouldn?t vote Republican, and the vast majority don't support US President Donald Trump. So for American immigrants in Germany who do, it can make for some difficult conversations.
Since Trump was elected in November, he has already established a rocky relationship with Germany, despite having not yet made a presidential visit to the country.

Polls have shown most Germans are ?afraid? of Trump; Germany?s own President-elect once called him a ?hate preacher?; and this year?s round of Carnival floats took joy in quite brutally mocking the American Commander in Chief.

So for Republicans in Germany, the experience living here has been, to say the least, interesting.

?If you go out socially and the topic turns political, you hear that Republicans don?t always feel comfortable. I tend to downplay it [being a Republican] for fear that someone won?t understand that there can be big differences in opinions [in the party],? explains Thomas Leiser, a Texan transplant in the Frankfurt area who leads the German Republicans Overseas branch.  A poll released ahead of Trump?s inauguration showed that most Germans thought of Trump as either ?dangerous?, ?irresponsible?, or ?unpredictable? - hardly optimistic results.

So part of what Freund says he does on German news shows is to try to calm some of the Germans? jitters.

?He will not govern like someone from a third world country. People compare him to Putin or Erdogan, which he is not,? Freund said.

?I?m trying to get this feeling, and shock and disappointment, out of people?s heads.?

Leiser also said he?s observed how Germans often struggle to understand Trump and the American political system."
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 15:24 25-Jul-2017
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Leiser also said he's observed how Germans often struggle to understand Trump and the American political system."

Americans struggle to understand the American political system also. Which is why so very few people take the time to vote, never realizing that each and every +1 vote actually counts. Never mind the brain dead fools that get elected, that's another kettle of dead fish.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 15:44 25-Jul-2017
Just for Frank.....who can't see this:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9p5ey
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 15:57 25-Jul-2017
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Just for Frank

Fraucha, be careful.  If Frank initiates the German war dance, we're all screwed.

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/2e494c8d6cf925912180b3cc91969f5b/tumblr_n9g6luMjbo1s7w437o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 16:25 25-Jul-2017
Grasping for straws in a town of 4000

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/us/politics/democrats-economic-message-trump-2018-better-deal.html?_r=0

note that the fed minimum wage has not been raised since 2009...good going Barry..
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 16:27 25-Jul-2017
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 17:22 25-Jul-2017

Der Spiegel explains what happened during the U.S. election:

"Obama was making an Einfahrt in der Rathaus. Herr Professor Trump was upset.  Herr Trump said to Obama, "Ihre Mutter, vit zee big boobies, saugt Schweine."  During the election, Herr Trump grabbed Hillary by ze Kunst and said "You vil eat some of dis schweinefleisch frauline, ya ya!  Dat is goot."  Hillary's supporters cried and felt weltschmerz.  They alleged Putin has video of Trump doing a Sitzpinkler on the face of Miss Universe.  Yet the vorld knew the schnitzel-schlonger was closer to Hillary's pupenschaften.  It was only an extreme case of butt-hurt.   Now we dance."
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: julienp on 21:39 25-Jul-2017
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Then maybe he can let his anger boil over and invade France again.    :D :D
Third time's a charm ;)

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If you're really his friend, you'll help him become more sociable and less bitter and angry.   Nobody is out to get Frank.
I'm not friend with anyone and in my experience people don't change, so why bother. For me it's a forum to get information or different point of view about Ukraine. I think it's a total waste of time arguing anything with anyone, especially about politic, and even more when you don't even live in the country in question.
So unless Trump call me asking for my opinion I won't bother write anything about US politics, nor care about trolling battle :) *


* except in case the opportunity arise for a sarcastic joke about American... Then my French root may get the better of me & my good resolutions
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 22:27 25-Jul-2017
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Third time's a charm ;)

+1 for having a sense of humor.  I knew you couldn't be French and uptight.  Glad you can take a joke.

Qui n'avance pas, recule.   Bonne nuit.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 07:54 26-Jul-2017
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Third time's a charm ;)

+1 for having a sense of humor.  I knew you couldn't be French and uptight.  Glad you can take a joke.

Qui n'avance pas, recule.   Bonne nuit.

Speaking of French:  Went out last night with some friends. I ordered FREEDOM Fries. Waiter looks at me "What is this fr-ee-dom fries we do not have such a thing."
"Katorshka frees, you know French Fries."
"Why not you say French Fries?"
"I'm American, we don't like the French, the French do not like us, so sometimes we say freedom fries and eat hot dogs on Bastille day."
"I saw this movie with the nigger at keno."   
"Idris Elba"
"Is strong actor. Ok, so fr-ee-dom fries is still stupid bad name for French Fries. French peoples are very fine."
"Dude, have you been to Paris?"
"No."
"Trust me, it is worse than Kyiv."
------"John STFU and finish the order, Jesus"
------"But I am ordering"
------"Are 10 years old?"
------"8, bitch."
"Ok, just the fries and beer...Stella"

30 minutes later

Large plate of home fried potatoes with garlic and parsley, large bowl of ketchup, A HOT DOG and my beer.
"WOW!!" I say. "Thank you!!!!"
"My Chief she is been to Paris, hot dog is free."

so...off topic, but....





Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 13:42 26-Jul-2017
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Then maybe he can let his anger boil over and invade France again.    :D :D
Third time's a charm ;)

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If you're really his friend, you'll help him become more sociable and less bitter and angry.   Nobody is out to get Frank.
I'm not friend with anyone and in my experience people don't change, so why bother. For me it's a forum to get information or different point of view about Ukraine. I think it's a total waste of time arguing anything with anyone, especially about politic, and even more when you don't even live in the country in question.
So unless Trump call me asking for my opinion I won't bother write anything about US politics, nor care about trolling battle :) *


* except in case the opportunity arise for a sarcastic joke about American... Then my French root may get the better of me & my good resolutions

Maybe I have already done so (invaded France) .... like so many Germans, Russians, Ukrainians, Brits and others I have a residence in France. Maybe the film by Michael Moore (where to invade next) would be a good view for some. Moreover I agree with you Julien, discussions about the politics or religion in an alien country (I mean other than your home country) are a dead end street and can only lead to bitter disputes. BUT my point was not about politics ... it was about foul language. Kind of a difference I suppose. That's all I have to say.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 14:58 26-Jul-2017
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Then maybe he can let his anger boil over and invade France again.    :D :D
Third time's a charm ;)

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If you're really his friend, you'll help him become more sociable and less bitter and angry.   Nobody is out to get Frank.
I'm not friend with anyone and in my experience people don't change, so why bother. For me it's a forum to get information or different point of view about Ukraine. I think it's a total waste of time arguing anything with anyone, especially about politic, and even more when you don't even live in the country in question.
So unless Trump call me asking for my opinion I won't bother write anything about US politics, nor care about trolling battle :) *


* except in case the opportunity arise for a sarcastic joke about American... Then my French root may get the better of me & my good resolutions

Maybe I have already done so (invaded France) .... like so many Germans, Russians, Ukrainians, Brits and others I have a residence in France. Maybe the film by Michael Moore (where to invade next) would be a good view for some. Moreover I agree with you Julien, discussions about the politics or religion in an alien country (I mean other than your home country) are a dead end street and can only lead to bitter disputes. BUT my point was not about politics ... it was about foul language. Kind of a difference I suppose. That's all I have to say.

Is Frank talking again? Why?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 20:46 26-Jul-2017
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Is Frank talking again? Why?

I would hope Frank would tell use what he considers foul language.  I know what fowl language is: chirp chirp chirp, cukadoodledoo!

So an adult man reads an adult word here or there, so what?  Right?   

Some of the greatest literature has dirty words in it.

Shakespeare:  "Thou clay-brained guts, thou knotty-pated fool,thou whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch!"

You'd have to ban every celebrated author from Henry Miller  (Tropic of Cancer) to JD Salinger (The Catcher in the Rye).

I went down by a different staircase, and I saw another "F uck you" on the wall. I tried to rub it off with my hand again, but this one was scratched on, with a knife or something. It wouldn't come off. It's hopeless, anyway. If you had a million years to do it in, you couldn't rub out even half the "F uck you" signs in the world. It's impossible. - Catcher in the Rye.

Is this some religious conviction Frank has?  (On this forum it was one or two words someone used for emphasis; it wasn't even directed at him; it wasn't even that dirty.)

The word "Shitstorm" is actually in a German Dictionary (Duden) and here a German speaking English uses it casually.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rri1hCTkgr4

Further reading:  Dirty words in literature.  http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/09/15/dirty-words-2
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 00:51 27-Jul-2017
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Is Frank talking again? Why?

I would hope Frank would tell use what he considers foul language.  I know fowl language is: chirp chirp chirp, cukadoodledoo!

So an adult man reads an adult word here or there, so what?  Right?   

Some of the greatest literature has dirty words in it.

Shakespeare:  "Thou clay-brained guts, thou knotty-pated fool,thou whoreson obscene greasy tallow-catch!"

You'd have to ban every celebrated author from Henry Miller  (Tropic of Cancer) to JD Salinger (The Catcher in the Rye).

I went down by a different staircase, and I saw another "F uck you" on the wall. I tried to rub it off with my hand again, but this one was scratched on, with a knife or something. It wouldn't come off. It's hopeless, anyway. If you had a million years to do it in, you couldn't rub out even half the "F uck you" signs in the world. It's impossible. - Catcher in the Rye.

Is this some religious conviction Frank has?  (On this forum it was one or two words someone used for emphasis; it wasn't even directed at him; it wasn't even that dirty.)

The word "Shitstorm" is actually in a German Dictionary (Duden) and here a German speaking English uses it casually.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rri1hCTkgr4

Further reading:  Dirty words in literature.  http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/09/15/dirty-words-2

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 01:36 27-Jul-2017
Shame on you, saying "Tallow catch."  Your great, great, great, great, great grandparents would wash your mouth out with lye. 
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 07:31 27-Jul-2017
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Shame on you, saying "Tallow catch."  Your great, great, great, great, great grandparents would wash your mouth out with lye.

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I like this word. I will be the first to claim it as my favorite!
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 09:39 27-Jul-2017
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Shame on you, saying "Tallow catch."  Your great, great, great, great, great grandparents would wash your mouth out with lye.

You know what it means, right?  It's a dripping-pan placed under roasting meat.  So, when Shakespeare uses the phrase "whore's son" and says (in the dialogue) that the person has the same origins as 'a dripping pan to catch the juices of roasting meat,' believe me it's far sharper than a simple curse like "shit". 
Title: A Word of Caution
Post by: sosednik on 13:10 27-Jul-2017
I was recently warned by a MODERATOR in these terms:

"So, you can play nice, or not be allowed to play at all? Consider this a warning."

"Just try not to get to personal"

This thread has quite a few comments which seem to make some kind of personal critique of frank, particularly his temperament as supposedly determined by "national character" (Steve Bannon would love this).
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If you boys aren't careful, a MODERATOR might open a can of whup-ass on ya.

Just sayin'

Title: Re: A Word of Caution
Post by: Fraucha on 14:38 27-Jul-2017
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I was recently warned by a MODERATOR in these terms:

"So, you can play nice, or not be allowed to play at all? Consider this a warning."

"Just try not to get to personal"

This thread has quite a few comments which seem to make some kind of personal critique of frank, particularly his temperament as supposedly determined by "national character" (Steve Bannon would love this).
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If you boys aren't careful, a MODERATOR might open a can of whup-ass on ya.

Just sayin'

It's Frank's problem and choice not to read all the comments. Blocking is even more childish than me pushing his buttons.
Find another dead horse to flog that seems to be your style.
Title: Re: A Word of Caution
Post by: Tnic on 15:00 27-Jul-2017
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I was recently warned by a MODERATOR in these terms:

"So, you can play nice, or not be allowed to play at all? Consider this a warning."

"Just try not to get to personal"

This thread has quite a few comments which seem to make some kind of personal critique of frank, particularly his temperament as supposedly determined by "national character" (Steve Bannon would love this).
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If you boys aren't careful, a MODERATOR might open a can of whup-ass on ya.

Just sayin'

It's Frank's problem and choice not to read all the comments. Blocking is even more childish than me pushing his buttons.
Find another dead horse to flog that seems to be your style.

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: A Word of Caution
Post by: Reggie on 15:14 27-Jul-2017
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This thread has quite a few comments which seem to make some kind of personal critique of frank, particularly his temperament as supposedly determined by "national character" (Steve Bannon would love this).
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Both points are incorrect. 

1.  Nobody wants to ban anyone -- not Frank, not you.   Even when Frank was comparing me to Hitler and Pol Pot (mass murderers), I expressly said then, and I am saying it again now, I don't like the idea of someone being blocked for words.   I'm an adult; so are the other people here.

2.  The problem was that Frank could dish it out, but couldn't take it.  I used humor (the worst weapon of all  :D) and he had a meltdown.  He started looking up words like "schnitzel-schlonger" (which actually means nothing - I made it up for a joke).  He didn't like that I pointed out that Hitler came from his country, not mine.  He thought it would be one-sided; and that's just not the real world.

3.  So I left Frank alone; because he's fragile.   Then Frank started butting-heads with other people on this thread and others.   He didn't like that Tnic used the word "butthurt" (give me a freakin' break) or that Fraucha said something innocuous like "bullshit."  He started lecturing them, saying they were vulgar and profane, and that Fraucha was "white trash."  (Now 'white trash,' 'Hitler,' and 'Pol Pot' have ganged up against Frank.  Jesus!  :D)         

(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/11326328_1619256071692858_135778495_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTAzNzIzNTI0NjYwNzIwMDQ3Nw%3D%3D.2)

Democrats used to be more respectable with telling the truth.   And it's embarrassing to have to console so many fragile-hearted men.   I have no doubt that if the tables were turned and Frank was a Mod, or a friend of a Mod, he would have blocked all our asses long ago -- probably just for using the word "asses."    Can you imagine what would have happened on a Hillary Clinton forum?  They wouldn't even have let us sign up. 

What most people are saying is,  (1) Have fun, (2) Don't be a cry-baby if you call someone names and they come back at you, (3) Try not to call people names; (4) if you can't handle your emotions on a certain topic, try a different topic; (5) make friends; (6) share information and help each other out; (7) be a man and stop playing the victim; and ( 8 ) have a sense of humor.     

We have all argued and quarreled on one topic or another with each other here, and we are friends the next minute or the next day.

Relax.  Nobody is out to get you.

And let me prove a point.  I am proud to be American, and one of the things that makes me proud is that I have a sense of humor.   I will put a photo making fun of America.   I'm not going to get twisted out of shape because of it.  What makes America great is the ability to express ideas and jokes. 

(https://www.askideas.com/media/15/British-Wedding-Vs-American-Wedding-Funny-Picture.jpg)

Did I get bent out of shape because of this?  Nope.  How about the other Americans?  Nope.   And most adults should be able to tolerate a little ha ha.   
   
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Дідусь on 16:46 27-Jul-2017
Foul language happens to be rather colorful, unfortunately. I even remember my late Mum and Dad (a solicitor/lawyer) used some "old English" words when the situation called for that particular choice of phraseology.

Let's go .......... (bear in mind, the forum checks change the obvious for us)

Frak you

Perhaps one of the most interesting and colorful words in the English language today is the word "Frak." It is the one magical word which, just by its sound, can describe pain, pleasure, love, hate. In language, "Frak" falls into many grammatical categories.

It can be used as a verb, both transitive (John Fraked Mary) and intransitive (Mary was Fraked by John). It can be an action verb (John really gives a Frak), a passive verb (Mary really doesn't give a Frak), an adverb (Mary is Fraking interested in John), or as a noun (Mary is a terrific Frak). It can also be used as an adjective (Mary is Fraking beautiful) or an interjection (Frak! I'm late for my date with Mary). It can even be used as a conjunction (Mary is easy, Frak she's also stupid).

As you can see, there are very few words with the overall versatility of the word "Frak". Aside from its sexual connotations, this incredible word can be used to describe many situations:

1. Greetings "How the Frak are ya?"
2. Fraud "I got Fraked by the car dealer."
3. Resignation "Oh, Frak it!"
4. Trouble "I guess I'm Fraked now."
5. Aggression "Frak YOU!"
6. Disgust "Frak me."
7. Confusion "What the Frak.......?"
8. Difficulty "I don't understand this Fraking business!"
9. Despair "Fraked again..."
10. Pleasure "I Fraking couldn't be happier."
11. Displeasure "What the Frak is going on here?"
12. Lost "Where the Frak are we."
13. Disbelief "UNFrakINGBELIEVABLE!"
14. Retaliation "Up your Fraking ass!"
15. Denial "I didn't Fraking do it."
16. Perplexity "I know Frak all about it."
17. Apathy "Who really gives a Frak, anyhow?"
18. Greetings "How the Frak are ya?"
19. Suspicion "Who the Frak are you?"
20. Panic "Let's get the Frak out of here."
21. Directions "Frak off."
22. Disbelief "How the Frak did you do that?"

It can be used in an anatomical description- "He's a Fraking asshole."
It can be used to tell time- "It's five Fraking thirty."
It can be used in business- "How did I wind up with this Fraking job?"
It can be maternal- "MotherFraker."
It can be political- "Frak Dan Quayle!"


It has also been used by many notable people throughout history: "What the Frak was that?" Mayor of Hiroshima
" Where did all these Fraking Indians come from?" General Custer
"Where the Frak is all this water coming from?" Captain of the Titanic
"That's not a real Fraking gun." John Lennon
"Who's gonna Fraking find out?" Richard Nixon
"Heads are going to Fraking roll." Anne Boleyn
"Let the Fraking woman drive." Commander of Space Shuttle "Challenger"
"What Fraking map?" Mark Thatcher
"Any Fraking idiot could understand that." Albert Einstein
"It does so Fraking look like her!" Picasso
"How the Frak did you work that out?" Pythagoras
"You want what on the Fraking ceiling?" Michaelangelo
"Frak a duck." Walt Disney
"Why?- Because it's Fraking there!" Edmund Hilary
"I don't suppose its gonna Fraking rain?" Joan of Arc
"Scattered Fraking showers my ass." Noah
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 22:25 27-Jul-2017

I'll just add 1 or 2 to that wonderful list.

a "FOK":  Fill or Kill order: an instruction to a broker to buy or sell particular shares immediately.   

In Afrikaans (related to Dutch), FOK = to mate, or breed.

Dutch website for news, reviews, columns and polls:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Logo_fok.png)

In popular culture:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51YY9A1CDZL.jpg)

Now let's talk about Frak, a much dirtier word.  It's the process of injecting hot liquid at high pressure into boreholes so as to force open fissures and extract gas and oil.   

Now that's really dirty.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 00:38 28-Jul-2017
Kind of interesting to see the comments about my mentioning of foul language.... seems to be a lot of sick minds around bearing in mind the importance given to my comment ....
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 01:55 28-Jul-2017
English is one of the worst possible language to cuss in.  For an international board, American English, a language of Puritans, simply lacks versatility. Russian, by contrast, is a language of beauty for cussing.  Not only does it have a lot more words, but profanity in Russian is itself a nearly complete language within a language (not that I speak Russian, let alone this low, bottom of the barrel version.  It is however, comforting to know that you can have a comprehensible discussion of many topics using almost only Russian profanity.   
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 03:48 28-Jul-2017
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Kind of interesting to see the comments about my mentioning of foul language.... seems to be a lot of sick minds around bearing in mind the importance given to my comment ....

Take 2 Damitols with a schnapps or 3 and call us in the morning.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 05:39 01-Aug-2017
It now emerges that after Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner met with the Russian lawyer and former FSB guy, Jr. and Jared's Lawyers had planned to release a very transparent, honest statement about the meeting with all the details, when it became clear that the meeting was going to be a very public issue.  Instead, President Trump personally dictated Jr.'s statement to the effect that the meeting was mostly about adoption and insisted that statement be used instead of following legal advice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.abca10e16c22

Normally, a President cannot be brought down by small issues like the meeting with the Russians.  But, part of the reason it is difficult to bring down a President is that Presidents are well represented by legal teams and don't get their hands dirty.  Trump doesn't follow legal advice and incredibly got right in the middle of this filthy little scandal, involving himself.   Normally a President doesn't have a big problem from this kind of thing.  But, if he ignores his lawyers and does his own thing, he is undoing his best defenses.  In the world of ordinary people in America, the people without a good lawyer and legal defence are the ones who usually go to jail.  By refusing to follow legal advice and constantly involving himself with bad people and dirty business, Trump may well eventually dig himself into too deep of a hole.  It's going to take a lot to get a Republican Congress and Senate to Impeach and convict, but, well, he keeps doing stuff and won't stop.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 13:57 01-Aug-2017
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/344680-putin-tests-trump-with-counterpunch-on-sanctions

I am not sure what the hell Putin is thinking, but this seems like the only thing he can do. Seriously, no one in the USA buys those wooden dolls...they don't have anything else. The more he screws with the USA the more he ignores China, who will not only eat Russia's lunch, but first breakfast, second breakfast, dinner, supper, vodka and potato time, and their borscht too.
As much as I hate Putin, he needs to get his sorry ass out of Syria and Ukraine and address the screwing he got over the last oil deal with China and keep a weather eye on India also.

Shutting off VPNs is such a dick move when you got nothing else for your people, might as well just box them all up now. He must think it is a good thing to do. Apple shutting off VPNs in China really has little effect as the largest corporation in the world has the majority of their manufacturing facilities in that country. This is a poor thing for Russia to follow.

Still looking for a 100 year revolution this October....



Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 15:18 01-Aug-2017
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It now emerges that after Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner met with the Russian lawyer and former FSB guy, Jr. and Jared's Lawyers had planned to release a very transparent, honest statement about the meeting with all the details, when it became clear that the meeting was going to be a very public issue.  Instead, President Trump personally dictated Jr.'s statement to the effect that the meeting was mostly about adoption and insisted that statement be used instead of following legal advice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.abca10e16c22

Normally, a President cannot be brought down by small issues like the meeting with the Russians.  But, part of the reason it is difficult to bring down a President is that Presidents are well represented by legal teams and don't get their hands dirty.  Trump doesn't follow legal advice and incredibly got right in the middle of this filthy little scandal, involving himself.   Normally a President doesn't have a big problem from this kind of thing.  But, if he ignores his lawyers and does his own thing, he is undoing his best defenses.  In the world of ordinary people in America, the people without a good lawyer and legal defence are the ones who usually go to jail.  By refusing to follow legal advice and constantly involving himself with bad people and dirty business, Trump may well eventually dig himself into too deep of a hole.  It's going to take a lot to get a Republican Congress and Senate to Impeach and convict, but, well, he keeps doing stuff and won't stop.

And with no Press aboard at the time the circle of suspected leakers draws ever smaller.  As for digging a hole, the man didn't become a multi-billionaire by being stupid.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: sosednik on 16:13 01-Aug-2017
Trump wasn't born on third base.

He was born a few feet away from home plate.

Are you sure his great wealth is due to his intellect?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: kyivkpic on 17:40 01-Aug-2017
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Trump wasn't born on third base.

He was born a few feet away from home plate.

Are you sure his great wealth is due to his intellect?

He's another old rich guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth making poor people actually believe that he cares about them. He's president to feed his own ego and obviously pursue his own interests.

He's hardly anything new but I think the minority of American people who actually participate in the presidential shit show have just lost their minds from decades of poor education, base consumer culture, mind destroying television and anti depressants. They want to lash out at the system and Trump is what we got. He's a "Frak you" vote, a monkey wrench thrown into the system.

I actually support him in this sense. The president of the U.S. is a ridiculous position considering the complexity of the modern world and the obvious corruption of so much power relative to the creation of the office. It's a farce now and I'm somewhat glad to see the presidency tarnished and the other branches of government acting as proper checks and balances.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 18:01 01-Aug-2017
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Are you sure his great wealth is due to his intellect?

Plenty of examples of people inheriting money or winning the lottery and not being able to manage it.  Managing money is also a skill. 

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He's another old rich guy

And?  It's a crime to be old? or rich? or a guy?   Most parents hope that their kids grow up to be old and rich. 
("Little Billy, when you grow up, I hope you die young and poor."  Which parent says that?) 

We are judging this man according strange criteria.   
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: frank1010 on 18:46 01-Aug-2017
The latest ... http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/white-house-officials-tricked-by-email-prankster/index.html

Must be a hoax or a joke right?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 18:49 01-Aug-2017
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Are you sure his great wealth is due to his intellect?

Plenty of examples of people inheriting money or winning the lottery and not being able to manage it.  Managing money is also a skill. 

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He's another old rich guy

And?  It's a crime to be old? or rich? or a guy?   Most parents hope that their kids grow up to be old and rich. 
("Little Billy, when you grow up, I hope you die young and poor."  Which parent says that?) 

We are judging this man according strange criteria.

My problem with Trump being portrayed as a great businessman: His companies went bankrupt a lot.  I have to say, that presiding over a bankruptcy as part of your CV looks worse than it is.  It can be a great learning experience in business.  Abraham Lincoln was a Bankrupt.  Thomas Jefferson died broke.   The issue is that Trump made a business model out of bankruptcy, banks don't trust him.   Trump is so enamoured of bankruptcy as a strategy that after the election he suggested default as a great way to manage the U.S. National debt (later issuing a retraction.)   
   If you go on to his investment brilliance, well we don't really know what his net worth was, when he won the election.  He is hiding this information.  I think the consensus was $1 Billion to $4 Billion net assets. 
Trump started with about $200 Million that he inherited in the 1970's.   $200 million of decent NYC real estate purchased in the 1970's would be worth about the same money Trump has today.   It is far from clear that his real estate business has done more than pay for his posh lifestyle. 
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 19:16 01-Aug-2017
Filed BK about 6 times, out of this many businesses:

https://www.quora.com/How-many-businesses-owned-by-started-by-or-associated-with-Donald-Trump-have-failed-or-bankrupted

read all of the answers and you finally get a better picture


Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 20:22 01-Aug-2017
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My problem with Trump being portrayed as a great businessman: His companies went bankrupt a lot.

Fact:  Personal bankruptcy and Corporate bankruptcy are two different things.   As far as I know, Trump didn't file for personal bankruptcy.

The aim of corporate bankruptcy generally is reorganization of the debtor company's business affairs and assets, with the hope of returning to normal business operations and sound financial health in the future, selling off some assets, and reaching agreement with creditors.  It's not against the law.

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well we don't really know what his net worth was, when he won the election.  He is hiding this information. 

Trump started with about $200 Million that he inherited in the 1970's.   $200 million of decent NYC real estate purchased in the 1970's would be worth about the same money Trump has today.   

On the one hand you admit that you have no idea what the man is worth; on the other hand you smear him as someone that didn't expand on the money he inherited.  The only thing this shows is that you are looking for an angle to smear him. 
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 23:13 01-Aug-2017
Most of these corp bk's were casino related ch.11.  91, 92, 04 and 09

Meh. even at 6 bk's considering how many fingers he has in the pies they are not alarming. I have seen casinos file ch 11 or simply shut down many times before - just check Vegas. That's business, and that's how American rolls.

Next.

Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 23:46 01-Aug-2017
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Most of these corp bk's were casino related ch.11.  91, 92, 04 and 09

Meh. even at 6 bk's considering how many fingers he has in the pies they are not alarming. I have seen casinos file ch 11 or simply shut down many times before - just check Vegas. That's business, and that's how American rolls.

Next.

Exactly.  It's not unusual for those types of businesses nor an unreasonable amount given the scope and magnitude of his business ventures. 

"Trump has been involved in four filings. The most recent was 2009, when Trump Entertainment Resorts (which Trump insists he is only affiliated with by name only) filed for Chapter 11. In 2004, Trump's Trump Hotel & Casino Resorts went under due to enormous past due loans. In 1992, Trump's Trump Plaza filed for bankruptcy after missing payments. And finally, Trump's first round with bankruptcy court goes back to when his Atlantic City Taj Mahal pushed him more than $1 million in the red - a seemingly paltry amount compared to the later filings."

Other Presidential Bankruptcies
Abraham Lincoln (16th Pres.) bankruptcy twice
Ulysses S. Grant (18th Pres.)
William McKinley (25th Pres.)

Now let's talk about the money the Clintons got from the Russians and Saudis.  :D
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 07:54 02-Aug-2017
Yeah, I don't have an issue with his finances.

I do have an issue with his not keeping his mouth shut as it seems he makes mountains out of mole hills. Kicking Hillary while is is down is good sport but still poor taste.

Messing with the Russians, I am pretty sure they did not have the political infrastructure at the time to deal with them...now if those meetings were more business centric, then yeah. Anyone who has .00001 of a brain can see Russia is ripe for the picking...if the current administration were to make business deals with Russia, I 100% expect the Russians to come out losers, again. For continuing to push Russia down the hole I would think Trump would be good at it.

But, please Jesus someone take away his iPhone.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: kyivkpic on 19:52 03-Aug-2017
I say no deals. Just seize all of Putin's and the oligarch's money and use it for.....hopefully, rebuilding Russian and the rest of the former CCCP with something like the Marshall Plan and after a Nuremburgesque trial of soviet crimes.

And maybe the rule of law in the U.S. will be be strengthened after the likes of that sleaze bag Trump Jr. are in prison.

Regardless, I'm waiting eagerly for our AI overlords to sort things out for us silly monkeys.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 21:31 03-Aug-2017
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I say no deals. Just seize all of Putin's and the oligarch's money and use it for.....hopefully, rebuilding Russian and the rest of the former CCCP with something like the Marshall Plan and after a Nuremburgesque trial of soviet crimes.

And maybe the rule of law in the U.S. will be be strengthened after the likes of that sleaze bag Trump Jr. are in prison.

Regardless, I'm waiting eagerly for our AI overlords to sort things out for us silly monkeys.

Found your sleaze bag.

Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Reggie on 22:50 03-Aug-2017
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after the likes of that sleaze bag Trump Jr. are in prison.

Trump Jr.  is a newbie, a babe in the woods, a novice, new-to-it-all.  In other words, he is not a career politician by any stretch of the imagination.

The guy has about 2 minutes of political experience; that weighs against the possibility that he is a hardened political-criminal.

How would it strengthen the rule of law to throw Trump Jr. in prison while letting the Clintons walk free after years of criminal misbehavior?

(http://www.firststreetconfidential.com/images/images-corner/07022017-donald-trump-cnn-punching-dodges.gif)
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 04:45 04-Aug-2017
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after the likes of that sleaze bag Trump Jr. are in prison.

Trump Jr.  is a newbie, a babe in the woods, a novice, new-to-it-all.  In other words, he is not a career politician by any stretch of the imagination.

The guy has about 2 minutes of political experience; that weighs against the possibility that he is a hardened political-criminal.

How would it strengthen the rule of law to throw Trump Jr. in prison while letting the Clintons walk free after years of criminal misbehavior?

(http://www.firststreetconfidential.com/images/images-corner/07022017-donald-trump-cnn-punching-dodges.gif)

I would settle for a Sugeon Generals diagnosis of dementia and confinement to a nursing home with many tacky guilded furnishings.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Danno99 on 05:47 12-Aug-2017
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Trump wasn't born on third base.

He was born a few feet away from home plate.

Are you sure his great wealth is due to his intellect?

Can you be a little more specific?
Trump inherited what percent of his wealth?

What's so interesting is how such a standard was never applied to Obama. Did you harp on his lack of experience? His affirmative action pathway to good schools? Did you even get miffed that he voted "present" as often as he did yea or nah?


Love him or hate him, he is a self made man.
He even reinvented the art of getting elected, a field he had no experience and over ruled all the experts.... and did it at a fraction of the cost.

Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 07:36 12-Aug-2017
Trump inherited about $200,000,000 when his Dad, a successful real estate investor, died.  Prior to that, Trump had his own real estate business, but that also was bankrolled by a couple million from Dad, at the beginning.  Trump's Dad was mostly involved in less flashy properties outside Manhattan.  I would maintain that if you valued what Trump inherited, and adjust that for inflation of NYC real estate, the President may not have much more than what his dad gave to him, as of 2016.
 
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 09:25 12-Aug-2017
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What's so interesting is how such a standard was never applied to Obama. Did you harp on his lack of experience? His affirmative action pathway to good schools? Did you even get miffed that he voted "present" as often as he did yea or nah?

It is no secret I hated Obama, I just did not crap on him as often as I could have. There was a lot wrong with him...but it was always "overlooked", well after all he was the first half-black man to be elected which makes him the first half-white man to be elected, so we can cut his socialist and radical past some slack. And we can forgive his screwing with freedom of the press, many overlooked his disrespect for the military and it's traditions....Jesus it is a long list of things that drove America further into the ground at a dizzying rate over the last 8 years.  Here is a fun read: and this is mild... http://www.theobamafile.com/_obamunism/Socialismo.htm

Trump, for all his faults (mostly he is a bit of a dork) will eventually settle down as the glamor of being the Big Rancid Ball of Yak Cheese wears off, not being a politician is why he got elected, America was tired of the same-old-shit year after year after year and Hilary is worse or would have been worse. Go ahead, dig deep into her past and tell me she was a good choice. (I guess she would have been the first half-man half-whatever if she was elected.)

Today we can call Trump names and sit around the pickle barrel at the local grocery store and debate until our balls fall off, but, in the end, and only the end will he be able to be judged fairly. Today, we are just dogs barking in the wind at swirling leaves. We can be historians tomorrow.

salo,pol pot, hammered dulcimer




Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 12:31 12-Aug-2017
Obama was an easy President to have, whilst in Ukraine.  Ukrainians hated W. Bush, believed all the Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories about Bush, that he ordered the attacks on 911 and right down conspiracy lane.  God help you if you walked past a progressive Ukrainian University, after the Orange, in the Bush era!  Obama by contrast, was well liked by Europeans and the conspiracy theories didn't stick to him.  When 2014 came along and the rift with Russia, wow, conspiracy theories gone and without justification, Ukrainians sort of automatically expected Obama to save them.  Americans were popular again.   As for Trump, he is kind of a mixed bag, Rusophile he may be, but Ukraine might now get those weapons.  At least the Russian conspiracy engine appears to have blown a gasket.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 14:58 12-Aug-2017
Still trying to find anything that our "rusophile in Chief" as done to benefit russia, other than a few complimentary comments about putler during the campaign about strong leadership and/or business savy. 

Cheap US oil (soon to be) in the export market, a strong US economy and a strong US military do not benefit russia at all.

Libs keep tossing these silly comments out with absolutely nothing to back it up.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 15:24 12-Aug-2017
Isn't calling Trump a Russophile, because he expresses admiration for Putin and spends more unofficial time shmoozing with Putin than other heads of state and expressed a desire to end sanctions several times, isn't that a different thing than accusing Trump of actually doing things to benefit Russia, most of which are presently illegal for him to do?
   I have been a Republican since Reagan's second term...
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 15:56 12-Aug-2017
They were seated (according to protocol) next to each other at a State dinner at the Summit in Germany and Melania (who is fluent in russian) did most of the chatting and I'm sure did some interpreting for her husband as well.

Other than the two meetings, which needed to happen to discuss some fairly important topics like Syria, putting ISIS down and putler's role in the election meddling, just how much could be called schmoozing?   More like confronting. The two leaders have a currently adversarial relationship, but they also recognize the need for direct communications.   

Again, Trump is not the choice putler had in mind for POTUS.  He wanted the one who signed away 20% of the US uranium to him.

World leaders meet and talk about issues.  How many other Summit leaders could actually do anything to help anywhere in the world today?
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: David Rochlin on 21:32 12-Aug-2017
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They were seated (according to protocol) next to each other at a State dinner at the Summit in Germany and Melania (who is fluent in russian) did most of the chatting and I'm sure did some interpreting for her husband as well.

Other than the two meetings, which needed to happen to discuss some fairly important topics like Syria, putting ISIS down and putler's role in the election meddling, just how much could be called schmoozing?   More like confronting. The two leaders have a currently adversarial relationship, but they also recognize the need for direct communications.   

Again, Trump is not the choice putler had in mind for POTUS.  He wanted the one who signed away 20% of the US uranium to him.

World leaders meet and talk about issues.  How many other Summit leaders could actually do anything to help anywhere in the world today?

Melania was seated near Putin and Chatted with him at this G20 banquet.  President Trump's official dinner companion, at the more than 2.5 hour event was the wife of Japan's PM, Abe.   President Trump got up and moved away from his place, pulled up a chair to where Putin was sitting and spoke to Putin for about an hour, with no American translator, using only Putin's translator (Trump's translator for the banquet, only one allowed, could not translate Russian.)  They were seated in a visible location, but the conversation was private.   Trump later explained that he had to speak to Putin instead of his official dinner companion, because she spoke only Japanese and he couldn't understand her.  However, Abe's wife is known to speak fluent English and of course, Trump's Japanese interpreter was right there.  Other heads of state looked on, at this situation, worried, because the President of the United States did not have similar a similar rapport with any of them.
Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Fraucha on 21:57 12-Aug-2017
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They were seated (according to protocol) next to each other at a State dinner at the Summit in Germany and Melania (who is fluent in russian) did most of the chatting and I'm sure did some interpreting for her husband as well.

Other than the two meetings, which needed to happen to discuss some fairly important topics like Syria, putting ISIS down and putler's role in the election meddling, just how much could be called schmoozing?   More like confronting. The two leaders have a currently adversarial relationship, but they also recognize the need for direct communications.   

Again, Trump is not the choice putler had in mind for POTUS.  He wanted the one who signed away 20% of the US uranium to him.

World leaders meet and talk about issues.  How many other Summit leaders could actually do anything to help anywhere in the world today?

Melania was seated near Putin and Chatted with him at this G20 banquet.  President Trump's official dinner companion, at the more than 2.5 hour event was the wife of Japan's PM, Abe.   President Trump got up and moved away from his place, pulled up a chair to where Putin was sitting and spoke to Putin for about an hour, with no American translator, using only Putin's translator (Trump's translator for the banquet, only one allowed, could not translate Russian.)  They were seated in a visible location, but the conversation was private.   Trump later explained that he had to speak to Putin instead of his official dinner companion, because she spoke only Japanese and he couldn't understand her.  However, Abe's wife is known to speak fluent English and of course, Trump's Japanese interpreter was right there.  Other heads of state looked on, at this situation, worried, because the President of the United States did not have similar a similar rapport with any of them.

Abe's wife, like a stuck up Japanese bitch, chose not to talk. Her mistake. Trump and Putin had an opportunity to actually speak off the record for as much as they could....others were worried, as they should be. None of them had the balls to stand up to Putin or even go talk to his ass. But, Trump did, and it seems without hesitation. He sat down and started chewing the fat. If you are going to ignore the two white elephants in the room then they are gonna gravitate to each other and eventually sh it on your dinner plate...... So, they spoke...big...fu cking...deal. 

Title: Re: Trump Jr: "I forgot"
Post by: Tnic on 22:54 12-Aug-2017
Like I said:

World leaders meet and talk about issues. 

Who else at the G20 was in any position to do anything at all about ISIS, Syria, etc except to attempt to placate and appease?  No one, except the two you're whining about because they had a "private" convo at a PUBLIC dinner.