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« on: 12:19 13-Aug-2017 »
I had talked to a friend about this problem, which is quite personal. After we talked I decided to post here in hope to help my fellow expats incase this problem happens to them or something similar.

My Facebook account was snatched a bit ago, I didn't pay attention because this seems to be the norm with social media. I got my account back and used it as I normally do.

Shortly after that I had some problems with other social media. I started to get alerts that someone tried to access my email with the wrong password and the account locked down. I went through the security, changed the password and thought everything was okay. Then it happened again, but this time my account was breeched. Then the same happened with my google account. I started to have problems entering my financial accounts in US....same thing, user password or user name not correct.

Then came the hammer blow, an email.... "American man I find you I have all information on you. You have relations with my woman. Leave her leave Ukraine or you will be died". It came from mail.ru and was sent through a vpn. I called Google security and reported the threat. They told me to take this seriously and contact the Embassy here. I called a family member who has 40+ years with the pentagon and is the director of covert operations. He said I am a foreign man in a foreign country that has high tensions. He said to treat this as serious and dangerous. He recommend some other things and go to the Embassy criminal unit which we did. We were told the same thing...I am a foreign man in a foreign country that has a bunch of crazies. Treat this as real and dangerous. Take your wife and leave, let things cool down a bit.

Now after some investigations, we have discovered all of our electronic devices are monitored and have spy software on them.

It has us going crazy. Now we have the idea maybe I am not the target, but my wife. She was a very high level banker here in Ukraine. We have the idea that someone wants her out of Ukraine.....because we have some empty flats and someone could try to sell them while she is gone.

Then we get the idea that it could be someone from her past because she is married to a foreign man... or just some crazy MF.

So my friends we are leaving very soon and will buy new devices after we leave.

If you have an opinion please leave a comment...It might help....I will check in from time to time and will stay safe and keep our heads down



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Re: Threats
« Reply #1 on: 13:08 13-Aug-2017 »
It's probably not, because you are a foreigner.   I say that, because this happens very frequently in Ukraine, that women get relentlessly stalked.  The cops don't help them, so it tends to just go on and on.  Almost all the time the culprit is not some past relationship, but just somebody the women met casually and who then become obsessed.  Threats get more shrill and worse and worse, and then they stop and eventually begin again.  Almost all the time it is someone without any real power or connections or even real intent to violence.  They just play with your head.  Its a power trip for the powerless. 
The problem with packing up and leaving is that it costs your tormentor basically nothing to turn your life upside down, and it can happen again and again. 

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Re: Threats
« Reply #2 on: 13:33 13-Aug-2017 »
HB, sorry to learn this miserable news.

Are your devices Apple or other types of phones and/or tablets?
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Re: Threats
« Reply #3 on: 13:39 13-Aug-2017 »

1.  Email, Facebook, Social Media of all types is not hack-proof.  One common, and relatively easy and unsophisticted, way they get your information is phishing.  It could be a kid or prankster that got your information from a site you visited (could have been a sports streaming site, a porn site, an online poker site; only you will know what sites you visited.  * No negative innuendo towards you intended by the porn reference; it's just one of the vulnerable areas of the interwebz.

2.  Take any threat seriously; even if it may be a prank.  First place to start is to back-track and determine if this is someone you know or don't; or maybe a friend or your lady knows.  Gingerly ask questions. 

3.  Yes, there are crazies here.  (I've met them.  They don't recognize any law, except the law of 'do whatever you want and tell stories about it later.'  Sadly, this is common.  It's very much the Wild West here, but with less open carry of firearms.)

4.  If you are leaving; Bon Voyage and have a safe trip back home. 


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Re: Threats
« Reply #4 on: 13:52 13-Aug-2017 »
Makes me glad I'm just a broke retiree and don't own anything in crazyland. 

But I've had a run in or two and it always ends up with them backing down in a face to face (and I DO mean FACE to FACE encounter.
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Re: Threats
« Reply #5 on: 14:22 13-Aug-2017 »
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HB, sorry to learn this miserable news.

Are your devices Apple or other types of phones and/or tablets?
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Re: Threats
« Reply #6 on: 14:24 13-Aug-2017 »
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« Reply #7 on: 16:01 13-Aug-2017 »
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Also she has never introduced me to any of her men friends, as she says she is afraid someone will hack her accounts if they find out about me

Can I be honest?   Warning bells just went off on your lady.  Doesn't make bit of sense what she said.   No other men with Ukrainian wives have to hide themselves for fear of being hacked.  Better check that she's not messing around with her men friends. 

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Re: Threats
« Reply #8 on: 17:47 13-Aug-2017 »
Ive had death threats for banning someone on here... and it got a little out of hand as they started to email me specific info - they knew where I lived - where I hung out.

At the beginning I was worried but then it starts to dawn on you that if these people meant real business they'd do something straight away and not telegraph their intent.

I remember one incident - different - with a drunk expat threatening me and saying he'd beat me in a fight. I agreed with him but said if I was going to have to fight with him he would not see the first blow.

But.. agree with Reggie - something does not smell right..... 8)
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Re: Threats
« Reply #9 on: 17:49 13-Aug-2017 »
Give more detail about the devices: how many? What are they? Where did you buy them?

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Re: Threats
« Reply #10 on: 19:12 13-Aug-2017 »
@Hairball:

Years ago, I had an experience a little like yours now.  Though the context in which I received the threat made it much less imminent than your situation, I found it deeply disturbing.

I want to chime in with Reggie:  however serious or not the threats may be, there is a separate (but perhaps related) problem of your wife's openness with you.

Life has brought you a situation, which in my opinion makes clear that you both need her to put her cards on the table.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

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Re: Threats
« Reply #11 on: 19:35 13-Aug-2017 »
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Spyware is very difficult to detect and remove without serious detective work or IT background.  My suggestion is to save all the data files to external drive.  Do not save any software as it could be infected.  Wipe clean your computer and re-install fresh OS X and re-download clean software.  After re-installing OS X, change your passwords to all websites including iCloud and Apple.  Also, password protect your computer.

Hidden or malicious spyware for iOS devices are not allowed on App store.  The only way to install it is by jailbreaking the device.
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Re: Threats
« Reply #12 on: 20:37 13-Aug-2017 »
I can readily imagine that if a Ukrainian woman tells non-romantic friends about her American SO, that some of them might be immediately prying online.  Consider that Ukraine is a country where adults, not just teens mostly do access what is a shadowy world of hackers to get free software and media on torrents. And at least modest skills are more common than here. 
Malware is ubiquitous in Ukraine, almost took down the government, just weeks ago.  So, it is hard to tell how much of the stuff comes from the threat, and how much is from the environment.  It may even be that the wife's tormentor isn't really someone known to the family at all, but just a story.  Perhaps after a certain amount of psychological torture, a payoff will be demanded.

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Re: Threats
« Reply #13 on: 23:28 13-Aug-2017 »
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-- if a Ukrainian woman tells non-romantic friends about her American SO, that some of them might be immediately prying online.  Consider that Ukraine is a country where adults, not just teens mostly do access what is a shadowy world of hackers -- It may even be that the wife's tormentor isn't really someone known to the family at all, but just a story.  -- Perhaps after a certain amount of psychological torture, a payoff will be demanded.

David, u-hum,

Do you smoke weed? 

The Whacky tobaccy?  Cannabis?   The sticky icky? Reefer?  Acapulco Gold?  Ganja?  The Mary Jane?

 8)

Your theory was like a blend of some spy movie and a sci fi plot.   Where did that come from brother?   

Maybe I'm just not seeing it.  It's probably me; don't worry.  It's me.  My bad.

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Re: Threats
« Reply #14 on: 23:51 13-Aug-2017 »
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-- if a Ukrainian woman tells non-romantic friends about her American SO, that some of them might be immediately prying online.  Consider that Ukraine is a country where adults, not just teens mostly do access what is a shadowy world of hackers -- It may even be that the wife's tormentor isn't really someone known to the family at all, but just a story.  -- Perhaps after a certain amount of psychological torture, a payoff will be demanded.

David, u-hum,

Do you smoke weed? 

The Whacky tobaccy?  Cannabis?   The sticky icky? Reefer?  Acapulco Gold?  Ganja?  The Mary Jane?

 8)

Your theory was like a blend of some spy movie and a sci fi plot.   Where did that come from brother?   

Maybe I'm just not seeing it.  It's probably me; don't worry.  It's me.  My bad.

I don't agree that these scenarios are so unusual or preposterous, in Ukraine, but it is not clear whether you think one particular situation in my post is science fiction or all of them?  I personally have had some of these problems or known someone who had some of the other problems.   Maybe other members of the board can chime in about situations they are aware happened to them or people they know?